Does America Need Indian's? The H1B Visa Fight

Join us for one of our most requested episodes as we dive into the heated debate around the H1B visa program. We start by explaining what the H1B visa is supposed to be versus the reality of its implementation, including its significant impact on Indian immigration. We discuss arguments from both sides, touching on issues like Indian nepotism in hiring and the economic advantages of skilled immigrants. The conversation also covers the demographic challenges America faces and the role of highly skilled immigrants in maintaining national security and economic growth. We further analyze a controversial article from Aporia that critiques skilled immigration from a cultural perspective. The episode also delves into the accusations against Elon Musk's alleged sock puppet account on Twitter, providing a nuanced discussion around the H1B visa, its cultural impact, and its importance for America's future. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. This is probably one of the most requested episodes we've ever had, but what are our thoughts on the current H 1B visa debate that's going on in the right right now? Now, just first, I need to categorize for people's brains, which the H 1B visa actually is, because there was what we are told the H 1B visa is, and then there is what the H 1B visa actually is.

So for people outside the United States, the H 1B visa is the idea that if you have special talents or you're uniquely skilled companies can bring you, like, bring you over for immigration and sort of fast track your immigration process only if they can prove that they can't find an equivalent person in the United States.

So, What the H 1B visa actually is, and this is going to shock you, Simone, is you know how the U. S. used to have, like, immigration thresholds for different countries? Where if you were of certain ethnicities, you could get sort of a free pass into the United States, or a much easier pass into the United States that made the existing ethnic mix of the [00:01:00] United States?

Right. The H 1B visa is basically that, but for Indian people. Seventy three percent of people who get an H 1B visa are Indian.

Simone Collins: Whoa, wow. Okay, that's more than I thought.

Malcolm Collins: That's an insane amount, if you're like, looking at a global stage. It is, it is the The and this, this plays into a lot of resistance that some people have to it.

So if you're just people like us and you're like, Oh, the competent people, like, I don't care if we get a lot of competent immigrants in, and a lot of people are complaining, well, it's not just the competent immigrants. There's a lot of Indian nepotism causing people to come in. So I want to get to that aspect of the debate, because I think that there is a level of nuance here.

The second thing I'd like to say on all of this is I told you so. So, so many people, when we were like, okay, we're Believe me, Trump's administration is now the new right. That's who's staffing his offices. That's going to be the policy you're going to see coming out of it. When I talked about the new right, old right split and the JD Vance [00:02:00] appointment, and it's sort of symbolizing Trump going in a new right direction.

And I had pointed out many times, I was like, Trump is against low skilled immigrants, he is for high skilled immigrants on the all in podcast. He even went so far as to say he'd give all, People who got a college degree in in America and automatic citizenship. Now, I think that's going too far, but I am okay if you do that for like the top two, three colleges, maybe.

Now, because it's actually insane. We like train here, the best PhDs, like in the world here. And we'll get people to go, like go to Stanford. Like I had a friend from Israel, right? Came over, started a company. It was doing well. And they kicked him out of the country. And I'm like, This company could have been like a billion dollar company.

What percent of our unicorns are by immigrants? I think it's like 33 percent of the companies that ended up being over a billion dollars in

Simone Collins: valuation.

Malcolm Collins: Sorry. I was rowing here. It was 55%. So over half of us Billion dollar valuation companies are founded by first-generation immigrants.

Yeah. It's just stupid to kick out somebody with a Stanford MBA who's starting a company that's already funded. I'm like, what, what is wrong with you people?

So [00:03:00] like broadly I'm, I'm proud of this, but, but the marketing point here that I was like, look, the new right is really in control of the ship now. And a lot of people thought I was blustering or that I was bluffing. Or that I would, like, apparently no, like the H1B visa. That is the most anti MAGA thing you could have in terms of like the old MAGA.

Right? But it fits perfectly with the policy of the new right. Which is just about efficiency and actually America first, like ensuring that we beat our enemies. And so if it works out well, okay. So now let's get into the, the actual battle here. Anything you want to say before I go further?

Simone Collins: No, keep going.

I do have only one hesitation that hit me about H 1B visas after I read an Aporia article, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on their arguments, which I will run by you, but let's go over your arguments first.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, hold on. There's something we have to go over before any of this. The Andrean Didderman. Is

Simone Collins: this a real person's name?

Malcolm Collins: Well, it's funny that you think it sounds like a made up name. So many people argue that a Twitter account called Andrian Ditterman is a [00:04:00] fake account that Elon Musk is using as a sock puppet to support himself. That has said things like, You're a great dad, Elon. And that has regularly tweeted like pro Elon things.

And He doesn't seem

Simone Collins: like the kind of person to do a sock puppet account.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so the left is memeing about this. I learned about it from like an advice animals meme. Unfortunately, from a drama perspective, it's almost certainly not true. One is common sense. If, as Simone said, it's just out of character for him. If you like follow him in any form of a generous fashion um, or, He, can I say he wouldn't do something like that.

It, it just doesn't come off like him. He's sort of like a nerdy dad type. He's not like a desperate for affirmation. In fact, he does a lot of things that are very like going to get him public hate. He more likes s**t storming than affirmation. Like he's a, he's a troll for, for trollings sake [00:05:00] in a big way.

No, I

Simone Collins: think, I think he likes attention. Just like any person, typically, but he's not, it takes a very specific type of person to do the sock puppeting thing. He

Malcolm Collins: doesn't care about positive attention, I guess I'd say.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, and he, like, the kind of person who is capable of, Who would turn to a sock pocket puppet for affirmation is also the kind of person who doesn't hold themselves to that high of a standard.

There are some people who are too proud Who would actually want real praise like they may pander to praise They would never use themselves to do that because it needs to be real like the the lack of honor In fake praise from a sock puppet account that you yourself created would be so humiliating to yourself and your own internal narrative That like you would never do it,

Malcolm Collins: but it also makes no sense This account had 20 000 followers or what