Hoe_Math: Is There Any Realistic Path Left For Men?

Join hosts Malcolm Collins and Simone Collins in an engaging conversation with HoMath as they delve into the complex issues surrounding modern dating from a male perspective. This episode explores the impacts of societal changes, the role of AI in personal development, and practical advice for young men navigating the current dating landscape. Discover HoMath's innovative AI app, 'Self Max,' designed to help individuals optimize their lives and better understand their personal goals. They also discuss the broader implications of AI on the job market and society, as well as practical advice for women in today's world. Don't miss this thought-provoking discussion on the future of relationships, AI, and societal evolution.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, this is Malcolm Collins and we are today here with HoMath I think that you so articulately pull apart the problems with modern dating, particularly from a male perspective. And you do it in a way that is.

More realistic than us because I always have to assume that there's some way out of this like I in my head like I'm like, okay, like it's astronomically bad right now, but there's got to be like, I have to tell people things with the assumption that we save civilization.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to feel that way.

If you, if you can, you can figure it out now. But

Malcolm Collins: that's what I want to talk about with you is, if you're forced to try to see a path through this, for a young man, or for society, how do you do it?

Speaker 2: So, for a young man, there are two ways of going about it. You can either be really selfish, and you can try to figure out how to just be your, your, the harem master.

You know, because [00:01:00] that's where things are going. We just, things have broken down. And if you can turn yourself into a local, I think they call it a contextual alpha, a local 10,

Simone Collins: then you can,

Speaker 2: yeah, then you can just win on in your small pond, if you can find a, a pond small enough, because even out in like you drive five hours East of Portland.

Oregon and you get to towns where the girls just leave like all the pretty girls are just like well I can get someone to ship me somewhere else. So

Malcolm Collins: yeah,

Speaker 2: there really aren't. Yeah, there really aren't any small towns any small ponds anymore

Malcolm Collins: This is what people do like I did this a lot in high school around like subgroups like it's oh You want to hang out with the goths because there isn't like a Chad in the goth.

Yeah

Speaker 2: That's why the goths do that because it's about the makeup and not about like, you know competing It's just like a, it's a way to jump off to the side and say, I'm the top of something else. So there's that. And then there's trying to fix society. This one's easier. It's easier. It's more rewarding.

Trying to fix society is what I'm trying to do because I don't, [00:02:00] I wouldn't find any satisfaction in this. It just, I don't see any reason to, to accelerate the problem if it's going to cause. I mean, it causes society to break down, you know, and I don't want to live in a broken down society. I find it very unpleasant.

So I'm trying to fix it and I'm doing that by, I don't know if you guys are aware that I have a a subscription product based on this, this mind map that I made called self mask. No,

Malcolm Collins: go into this. I want to know.

Speaker 2: So I was promising people to make a map like really, really early on when I was making content, I said I was going to cover everything that you need to maximize about yourself in order to you know, get the best possible position you can in the dating market.

And I started doing this and I said, well, everything is kind of kind of tied to everything else. So I needed to make an entire system of how the mind works. It starts with what you want, what you want, moves into the way that you think. And then your things, your, your The things you think about move into the behaviors you choose and the way you appear to others, which interact with your [00:03:00] environment, create your situation and then you view it and then you can think about that again.

Change what you want or change what you do. So I just put it all on paper and I have a couple of developers who are coding this into a system so you can. Go to the site and type in like, I don't know what I want. And there's a, what do you want exercise? And it figures out what you want. And then it says, well, what are you doing?

And where, where would you go to get what you want? So it leads you through the process. So this is as far, how far I'm going to try to fix society. I'm creating AI apps that are 10 bucks a month so that people can go, how do I you know, pick myself up out of this mess and I'm going to. Give, I'm going to fill it with exercises and I'm going to try to structure it as much as possible to not let people use it in that, in, in that way to, you know, people, people, I love

Malcolm Collins: this because it is very similar to the system that we did when our first book ages ago we built a [00:04:00] system for like improving yourself and it's very similar.

To what you structured there, which is to say, you know, we say first decide like what you think has intrinsic value and we go through all the things a person might think has value, then build your like ideological tree of how you see reality, which will have like a core stump that might be like a theology or might be like a political worldview and then it branches into micro hypotheses.

And then with these two things, craft the version of yourself that would best be able to maximize your things of intrinsic value. Because people are always like, Oh, be, be who you really are. And I'm like, there is no who you really are. That's just like who the world serendipitously made you.

Speaker 2: That's funny because these are things that I have been saying recently.

I, I have a video I'm working on called the table. You know how are you familiar with the dating language? How the guys will say, what do you bring to the table? And the girls will say, I am the table. Yeah. So. The, the male version of that is I want her to like me for me and I'm making a video that's based on there's, there's no you, there's [00:05:00] only things people can see about you and you can control some of those.

So that's, that's interesting that you said that and at the same time had the same idea for the structure of how this works. I, I said recently, I think on a tweet, probably I tweet a lot. I said that. When you find the same, when you find the truth, it's always the same truth as everyone else who found the truth, because the truth is true.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, I completely agree. Another thing that we say in that book that, that probably aligns with stuff that you said before, is Everyone is a, you, you are a side character in everyone else's, you know, life you have ever met. And if you try to structure the you that they're interacting with to be a main character, you're going to come off like a Mary Sue.

And side characters are simplistic. They have easy to understand flaws. They fit into stereotypes. And if you can craft yourself into that type of person, you're going to fit much easier into the life of whether it's a woman or somebody else, because they're going to. Have a [00:06:00] slot. They can fit you in.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's, I think you're talking about kind of like development, like ego development there that people tend to