How Vice Got Stomped By A V-Tuber (What Everyone is Missing)

Join Malcolm and Simone in a deep dive into the unfolding drama surrounding Kirsch vs Ana Valens . After a week-long vacation, they tackle this complex topic over two episodes, exploring the accusations, evidence, and cultural clashes. From discussing the nature of Vtuber and their avatars to analyzing the controversial actions of Ana Valens and her attempts at cancellation, the episode reveals a tangled web of motivations, including Valens' own experiences with sexuality, consent, and societal rejection. Discover how cultural shifts, personal identities, and internet culture collide in this fascinating, albeit tragic narrative.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. You cannot. I, I cannot tell you how excited I am to be here with you today.

'cause today we are gonna be doing an episode that we were on vacation this last week, and so we weren't able to record new content. Oh yeah. We're around. Our

Simone Collins: kids supposed to be on vacation. All Malcolm can think about is this one thing? Is this, this is all I'm hearing about the whole Cruise

Malcolm Collins: Anna Len's drama.

And so everyone else had covered this already. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna say, you know what, I'm gonna go into it in more detail. I'm gonna find things that our side is getting wrong. I'm gonna find bits of evidence that our side hasn't uncovered yet. Oh goodness. I am going to get so deep that we're actually gonna do two episodes on this because I.

Find the situation so fascinating from the perspective of, because there's just so much history, recorded history on this journalist, Anna Valand. Okay. Just

Simone Collins: for those who do not know anything about Vtu Burst, because. Malcolm thinks everyone knows what VT YouTubers are. VT tubers are about as well known [00:01:00] as furries.

And actually most people, Malcolm don't know about furries either. Okay, so a vtu, okay, so v YouTubers

Malcolm Collins: are people who use personas, an avatar

Simone Collins: to avatars, just sort of be them. We have an episode with Lisa, an animated anime face instead of our faces, for example. Yes, typically comment on things. They comment on news stories.

A lot of 'em are streamers. And so this is about a v YouTuber. Who was the target? Of a cancellation attempt carried out by a prolific online poster author, journalist who'd happened to execute this targeted attack campaign through Vice News articles. And it is theorized that. Part of why this person valence did this is because they were a not very good vtr who had lost a representation contract and had sour grapes about this vtr being successful.

Oh, hold on.

Malcolm Collins: You're

Simone Collins: confusing a number of things here. Okay?

Malcolm Collins: And you're actually getting something wrong that a lot of other people get wrong that we will get into. So I'm gonna first clear up the first big mistake. Do it. A lot of people believe, and we'll [00:02:00] get into this in a second, you don't need to understand.

What I'm talking about here. But basically this person did an unhinged piece about an agency allude tubber agency called V Allure. And in the piece you'll see that they were really just upset that they weren't hired by V Allure. Mm-hmm. And then Keisha, one of the V tubers, they did an attack on multiple V tubers trying to get their sponsors to drop them.

So trying to get Keisha being the

Simone Collins: main target. Right. They're livelihood peers,

Malcolm Collins: you with the main target, but they also targeted leaflet. And, and, and lethal. It is our oshi. You know, that's who, who we push. That added a term in like fandom community means the main person we push, and I really like her content.

But anyway both of these were right-leaning, but not like far right v tubers. When I say right-leaning and not far right these are the types of people who would say. Trans people are real and deserve to be protected, but there are perverts who pretend to be trans people to get covered. Like, they're, they're at that level.

They have not trusted Trans Rubicon yet to say actually the entire trans thing doesn't really make a lot of sense. But. That's like their level of, so they're not that conservative, right? But certain individuals have [00:03:00] decided this just means they must be destroyed. And so, Keisha's understanding of this is, oh, well I did this, this episode that attacked his piece.

Or her piece, sorry, not to misgender here. We we're gonna, we're gonna use the this is a, she.

Right.

Malcolm Collins: But I don't want, to, you know, they, they put a lot of effort into this whole thing, and I don't see the point in hurting their feelings without reason.

Right. But we'll get into, within these two pieces, why you probably, if you are an actual, like if trans people really exist. You would want more than anyone else for somebody like this to not be able to identify as trans. Mm.

Specifically , if you are somebody who says, , being trans is not a paraphilias., you would not want this person representing you because for this individual, very clearly, because they post a lot of their paraphilias publicly, , feminization and the violation of other people's consent are their two primary paraphilias.

[00:04:00] So for this individual, their trans identity is a paraphilia. And they don't hide this.

Malcolm Collins: Because it's very clear that they do not have, a female mind trapped in a male body.

This is a, yeah, it's, it's you really

Simone Collins: angry about like great replacement theory, racists calling themselves ISTs. We're like, no, no you're not. Yeah. In the same way that we're like, no,

Malcolm Collins: great replacement theory is not tism you, you embarra us. Your average trans person would be like, this is not a trans individual.

Exactly. But, but the problem is with her theory that this came from this via lure article is that article came out in April. The campaign against her. What happened was there was a bunch of stuff on Blue sky and X, and then you have the vice articles that come out that sort of accumulate. It didn't start in April.

Oh, it started in March. Oh. Now here's a little question. What episode might she have posted in March that could have triggered an valence?

Simone Collins: I don't [00:05:00] know.

Malcolm Collins: And this. Is unfortunately what sort of undermines what of valence core arguments about this? So Ava publicly has something called POCD. Which is PDA file OCD disorder.

And if you look at some of her tweets, she will say things like thing, is that a real thing? Getting a lot of interest for sexuality, OCD as a sex ed 1 0 1 stream on additional resources on one of the main topics to discuss POCD. There are so many more to discuss. And it's so is this just, is this

Simone Collins: just obsessive compulsive disorder where the compulsion is being a petto bear?

Well,

Malcolm Collins: so that's the way they frame it. But it's not the way, so the, the basically in the Isha piece where she calls this out, okay, she's like, this is actually worse than like, no contact maps. No maps. Maps are minor attractive people where they tried to normalize these desires. And they said, okay.

Well, I, I just don't contact kids. The, the way that POCD is [00:06:00] different from maps is they believe that one of the treatments to it is exposure therapy. Oh, no, no, no. Looking at. And I'll put the, the letters on screen here. So