Incels Are Importing More Women Than You Think: With David Lorenzo

In this episode, hosts Malcolm and Simone are joined by Swedish demographer David Lorenzo to discuss intriguing demographic shifts. Delving into the incel crisis in Europe and the United States, the conversation explores how this has driven a mass female immigration into Western countries. The discussion highlights the gender-balanced migration trends often misrepresented in the media, particularly from regions like Northern Africa, the Middle East, and Latin America. Additionally, they examine the factors contributing to the crashing birth rates in the second generation of immigrants in Northern Europe and other surprising demographic trends. The episode touches on the impact of marriage migration, political divides, gender-segregated economies, and the potential future implications for Western countries compared to other regions.

The Song:

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, this is Malcolm and Simone here with a guest David Lorenzo, who's a demographer from Sweden

and he's coming to us with some interesting theories. He pulled up a lot of data on. To just give like a brief summary of what we're gonna be getting into on this episode, we're gonna look out how the incel crisis in Europe and potentially the United States drove a mass female immigration into the Western world.

We're gonna look at crashing birth rates in the second generation of immigrants in Northern Europe. And we're going to be looking at other surprising demographic facts that could be driven by current trends.

David Lorentzon: Thank you. I appreciate that. the research, when I got into it, I was originally researching mass immigration from the Muslim world.

And what Sweden does really well is that it has detailed data from every country and it also lets you divide it based on gender and age. Hmm. So. What I realized when I looked at the [00:01:00] total numbers was that it was very gender balanced migration into Sweden, but what you saw in the media was overwhelmingly male migration from, from the Middle East and Africa.

So there was a very big discrepancy between the portrayal in the media and what the data was showing, and I, I later discovered the answer when I started looking through each country. Individually and saw that some countries you receive a lot of male immigration from and some you receive a lot of female migration from.

And the female migration was so vast that it resulted in the total migration being gender balanced.

Malcolm Collins: Wow. So where are we seeing female immigration from

David Lorentzon: so. To visualize the data in a simplified manner. This is the immigration to Sweden.

Okay. And the

red is where it's majority female from, and the blue is majority male from, and all the beige, there's a few beige countries. That's where it's so gender balanced. Wow.[00:02:00]

And what you can see is that you can generalize entire regions of the world. So as, as you expect. You can see that Northern Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent is overwhelmingly male. You can also see that Western Europe you receive majority male migrants from, and then you receive from Eastern Europe, majority female, east Asia, Southeast Asia, the sovereign half of Africa, and also in general Latin America.

That's where you receive mass immigration of women from. Mm-hmm. And it's primarily. Marriage migration.

Simone Collins: Oh, oh. Because I would Okay. Okay. The, the, yes. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. That explained so much. I was like, why?

Malcolm Collins: So let's talk about like a thesis for how

Simone Collins: this would happen. No one wants to marry American women in Sweden.

Well, no. It, it's, it's, well, no, but when you look at women in Sweden. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. America. No, but look

Malcolm Collins: at what, what these countries have. I have a Californian mom.

David Lorentzon: So,

Malcolm Collins: so what you see in these countries is that these are the most [00:03:00] anti woke and conservative countries with people who pass as white.

Specifically we're looking arbitrage.

Simone Collins: Major arbitrage. Major arbitrage. So

Malcolm Collins: within some of the woke countries like Sweden, and I would, wouldn't be surprised if we saw this in other European countries where the native women are removing themselves from the marriage market. Which is what we've seen with the rise of in seldom, and we've talked a lot about the dynamics of this.

One of the core things that happens is women begin to value their marriage marketplace value as equivalent to their sexual marketplace value which causes them to highly misjudge the quality of guy they can get and not enter these serious marriage market until, and, and they also don't realize how quickly their value degrades after 30.

So they and no, I'm not talking about this in like an objective, like I'm putting a price on women or something. Thing like that. What I'm talking about here is in the way that. Everything has a, a value to someone else. What I pay for a fish might be different from what somebody else pays for a fish, but it has an average value.

And if you [00:04:00] misjudge your value, or I misjudge like what this high house will sell for and I put it on the market at a stupidly high price, nobody's going to buy it. Especially if I get all full of myself and I say. I won't, on principle sell it for less than this price. I'm definitely gonna get no one to buy it.

But women in Latin America and Russia and Ukraine aren't gonna feel that way. Continue.

David Lorentzon: Right. So there are some serious, the reason that there's so many marriage such large levels of marriage migration coming into Sweden, it's because of imbalances in the dating market.

there is a lot of men who are in cells and instead of being idle and giving up.

They are traveling abroad, they are going on dating, we online services and the largest countries when it comes to marriage migration is Southeast Asia, like Thailand, Brazil. Mm-hmm. Like Russia. And you notice that these are countries that are relatively stable, middle income. Mm-hmm. Not deferred world [00:05:00] necessarily.

And it also tends to be popular tourist destinations such as Thailand, like 80% of all immigration Sweden, guests from Thailand is women.

Malcolm Collins: Fascinating. Well, Thailand's also known as a passport bro country. That's the other category of countries I'm seeing as passport bro countries.

Simone Collins: If I were a leader in this, this country, what would I would, would I create old fashioned feminine finishing schools should try to get remittances out of this.

Like where? It's such a weird thing, but like, can this be beneficial to the country out? I assume there's remittances coming outta because I'm assuming No, I mean, my, primarily, my primary concern would be that this is damaging to the countrys because it's causing a gender imbalance, which is gonna exacerbate their own demographic collapse issues unless they are in turn importing women from some other place.

So I, I would really worry about that. But if there's some way to make it a remittances gain. You could maybe make up for that. I don't know.

David Lorentzon: So marriage migration, overwhelmingly benefits Western countries when it comes to boosting their birth rates. They also, [00:06:00] the women don't tend to do a lot of crime and they tend to assimilate very well because you have a person inside the household who is actively working all the time with integrating that woman.