Is the Handmaid's Tale a Lefty Roleplay Fantasy?

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In this episode, Malcolm and Simone delve into a provocative discussion about how certain portions of the left appear to be indulging in Handmaid's Tale scenarios for sexual excitement. The conversation also covers statistical data from Ayla on female and male fetishes, revealing surprising insights into what really turns women on. They discuss the prevalence of violent erotica among women, the implications of women's arousal patterns on society, and how these fantasies manifest in public discourse and media. Explore the complexities of sexual fantasies and societal taboos in this eye-opening conversation.

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Malcolm Collins: Simone. I'm excited to be talking to you today. Today we are going to be talking about a handmaid's tale. There have been some jokes on the right that we have participated in that it appears that a portion of the left Is genuinely aroused by Handmaid's Tale scenarios and is attempting to LARP a fantasy in which they are living these scenarios for predominantly sexualized reason.

And I think that. When we've said this and other people have said this I've laughed I've been like, oh, that's so silly And then like this voice started to creep into my mind malcolm You should probably look into whether or not this is the case.

Simone Collins: I was never joking I think it's legit and I think we've received

Malcolm Collins: So we are going to, yes, look for receipts.

This is actually something that's happening on the left. Then we are going to [00:01:00] go over a slide deck that Ayla created for Hereticon that goes over some of what women are into. And I think that this, and it's just so important for us to constantly be emphasizing this. Women consume the majority of violent pornography.

Yeah, this is not a, this is not a dude thing. This is not a dude thing. And you'll get people like you know, Louise Perry and she goes, Oh, well. Yeah. Okay. Maybe your girlfriend asked you to choke her, but she was only doing that because other guys had choked her before. And I was like, b***h, women didn't turn Fifty Shades of Grey into a bestselling book to impress guys.

Yeah. Okay. Women were like conspicuously reading Fifty Shades of Grey on a bus so a guy could see it and be like, Hmm. Yeah. I bet she's into some kinky stuff. It shows a complete disconnect from reality among a certain class of people. That's just like, well,

Simone Collins: I think part of it is that [00:02:00] there is a, a non trivial subset of, of women and, and people in general who are really turned off by this.

Like it's not their fetish and they can't imagine as

Malcolm Collins: well. There is an extreme category and extreme. Scream turned on category, but then not turned on category is a smaller category.

Simone Collins: But this is an issue pervasive in sexuality, where like, this subset of people who are extremely turned off by the thing are also very disgusted by it, which is something you discuss a lot in the Tragedy of Sexuality, and when you equate it's very easy to equate disgust with this must be morally bad.

And so they're like, well, I have this

Malcolm Collins: disgusting thing. Sorry, you mixed up your words a bit there. Whenever an audience is extremely aroused by something, another audience will be extremely disgusted by the same thing. Whenever one audience is disgusted by something, another audience will be extremely aroused by it.

But some individuals just struggle with comprehending that their own arousal patterns may not be the dominant arousal patterns within their gender. These people remind me of [00:03:00] those, I don't know if you've ever known one of those predatory bi guys who's like, come on, man, or gay guys. They're like, everybody's actually secretly gay.

And I'm like, no, I'm definitely not secretly gay. But they just, they don't believe it. There's part of their brain that's like, this is what turns me

Simone Collins: on.

Malcolm Collins: And this is

Simone Collins: the thing that, so it's a very common, like, logical mistake that people make where if you broadly like someone and respect them and think they're a nice person, person, then you're going to assume that they are disgusted by the things, same things that you're disgusted by, that they, they believe the same things you do.

And so I think it's really easy for people who are really turned off by this stuff to be like, well, no one could be turned on by this and everyone must be turned on by the things I'm turned on by. And that's just how it is. And then this causes a lot of this misunderstanding and conflict.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So here's the post on Reddit this is a, by a left wing person.

The women perpetuating the delusional idea that they will be forcibly impregnated by the most powerful men in society are taking part in a fantasy. Even being pro choice, I'm embarrassed by the amount of [00:04:00] women who genuinely fantasize they'll be breeding stock for the elites

first to give birth rather than be cast aside as housemaids due to age, obesity, or generally unattractive qualities, or illness. In this fantasy, they're all highly coveted by men. Powerful men. They're even more valuable than the men's wives. Of course, this isn't happening, however. It's not PC to disturb these fantasies of being ultimately irresistible, that society changes completely, because everyone else, Is suddenly less valuable than you it reeks of ego masturbation and breeding kink Just like the wildly popular 50 shades, which is written at a literal fourth grade reading level It's always a rich and powerful man

who is powerless against their attraction to you. And it made it to the bestseller list because women couldn't get enough of it. There are three movies now, despite the story mentioning her being fed alcohol and engaging in activities she didn't consent to and was not warned would take place.

This is a LARP [00:05:00] and it's embarrassing and it's completely divorced from reality. And it's so obvious to many of us that it keeps us. From taking you seriously and I think that

Simone Collins: that's, that's really sex negative and shaming. Like, oh gosh, so it's so unreasonable to wish that you were desired. It's so unreasonable to wish that you were valued by society.

Like, I mean, we can make fun of this, like, fetish, but

Malcolm Collins: like, it's a, it's a real thing. But I think that, that whenever you have a narrative, and I would note that I actually don't think the book, and I think that this is why the book wasn't as popular at this recent revival in a TV series and LARP it didn't sexualize the sex scenes that much, whereas the TV series did, sexualize the men in the show. Like the colonel, there's a lot of women talking about how hot they found these guys and we can go over those posts, but Oh my God, really? Oh no. Oh no. Yeah I, and I, and I know that Rubiard was the one who turned me on to this because he was pointing out, look, whenever you see something that is predominantly female, [00:06:00] the fandom, it involves women being disempowered, but obsessed over by, you know, powerful men especially if they are forced to be pleasured by that man in front of other high valued women who have to look on with jealousy.

While this may not be your fantasy, Simone, it is the, one of the dominant female fantasies.

Simone Collins: Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why I don't think it definitely is not my thing. So it's. It's hard for me to understand, but I don't, I see the logic behind it. I see why, evolutionaril