Kamala Won In The Real Timeline! (Why Many Believe This)

In this episode, Simone and Malcolm explore the intriguing phenomenon of the 4:00 AM Club—a group of Democrats convinced that Donald Trump's election caused a split from the 'real' timeline, where Kamala Harris is President. Diving into the social media reach and belief systems of this community, they draw comparisons to the QAnon movement and investigate the role of mysticism, conspiracy thinking, and societal reactions to political realities. From discussions on progressive mysticism to personal anecdotes and reflections, this episode is an in-depth look at how some people are coping with political disillusionment by creating alternative spiritual narratives.

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be talking about the 4:00 AM Club, which is a group of Democrats that believe that when the election of Trump happened, our timeline split from the real timeline. We are in the, the, the fake or like corrupted timeline. And in this real timeline, Kamala won.

They are trying to merge these two timelines. And you have the impression when I brought this up with you, that this was a small movement. When you look at their tiktoks, they get millions of views. They, they, they, they regularly get millions of views. Well, are they hate views though? No, I hate viewership is very rare in real life.

Like people assume, like our channel gets hate viewership, and yet we get like an average of like 95% up votes. Like actual hate viewership is just not that big, unless you're talking about like a literal, like lull cow, like Chris Chan or something like that. Okay. And even then a lot of people end up liking him after a while.

So I don't know, Simone, I don't, I don't think it's, it's hate views. Okay. Okay. The, and well, it's a big community and as we go into this, the reason why we're gonna explore this is one, it's a bit like you saying, oh, qan on must be a small thing because it sounds weird. Or discordant with social norms. I mean, yet QAN on was not a small thing.

That's a good point.

Simone Collins: Yeah, you're right. Yeah. It used

Malcolm Collins: to be almost people have said it's like progressive QAN on Whoa. But. It, it, it's, it's very interesting to explore because it handles the conspiracy vibe of, oh, Trump didn't really win in a way that is so soaked in progressive mysticism. That it is very like, unique and I think it will be fun to talk about how this.

It's structured differently than Q Anon and why. Yeah. And then it's really interesting to understand like what actually goes on in the minds of those most deeply affected with the urban monoculture. Those who are you know, this deeply cultural imperialistic. They want everyone to think like them, everyone to act like them.

What, what goes on? In, in terms of how their minds broke around this second Trump election. And you mentioned something to me yesterday that I thought was really telling about all this, where you said Trump derangement syndrome, this time seems so much worse than it did the first time. Like, people's breaks from reality are more severe than you have seen Historic.

And I think the reason for this is because after Trump was elected for the first time, they were living in a world of, see now everyone who is saying sees how bad this is, this is never going to happen again. And when it happened again, was a majority vote. It sort of said to them. Wait, what? That world I've been living in for the past four or five years is a construction.

Like it's not real. Like, and, and people didn't think he had done a bad job. Like there's a huge percent of America that likes and, and worse. It's a larger percent now of minorities. It's over 50% of Hispanic males. It was huge gains made within the Muslim community. I think it might have been a majority of Muslims in sub communities, but I can't remember what the stats were there.

He's growing in popularity among young people. Everyone, even the progressives have sort of turned on mainstream news like. It, it's been, I think, sort of reality shattering for people who overinvested in this particular reality framework. Thoughts. Mm-hmm.

Simone Collins: Let me, let me get this straight. I just is basically the 4:00 AM club, a version of Trump derangement syndrome where they just can't allow for a reality in which Trump won so badly that they're just like, I'm just gonna believe.

That Trump didn't win so hard that maybe I'll manifest that timeline.

Malcolm Collins: Sort of, yeah. We'll get into it, but yes. I need to know more. I need to know more. I mean, I can, I can post a video from a 4:00 AM club member who is mad that Fox News made fun of them. And she's explaining why they're not crazy.

Oh. Okay.

Speaker: Last night, Fox News aired clips of my TikTok video about the 4:00 AM Club on the Laura Ingram show.

Some will mock it, but mocking it doesn't invalidate it. It may, in fact confirm its power

the human eye can detect only 0.0035% of the electromagnetic spectrum. Our nervous system is not built to perceive total reality. So when people scoff and say, well, I don't see it, it means nothing. Of course they don't. What I and thousands of other four amers experienced is called timeline bleed. Those of us who are sensitive can sometimes momentarily tune into a parallel possibility.

Simone Collins: Wow. Yeah, so this is very much, is this like a manifesting thing? Like I just Well,

Malcolm Collins: no. What she argues is she goes, well, multiple timelines likely do exist. We can see from quantum physics. I mean that's fair. Sure. Electrons doing funny things that might suggest other and therefore. But what's funny about this is she says something that is otherwise, like, I actually do believe that timelines do split occasionally.

Totally. I think there would be evidence that we have actually does suggest this.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But the evidence that we have also suggests there is no way you could cross one of these barriers once this has happened. You're basically just in a different part of the equation. Once this has happened and there is no con connecting, contacting, anything like that.

So she says something that is reasonable without understanding why everyone else is like, yes. But you think you get messages from this other timeline and can reunite the two? Well, because I think it's, it's quite

Simone Collins: popular in fiction. The whole historic materials series was on switching between.

Essentially different timelines or, or universes. Right. You know, this is something

Malcolm Collins: I've noticed a lot recently. Like with the Slenderman murders, right? Where the girls were gonna murder their friend to, to call out Slender Man. Yeah. A lot of women, white women, particularly, let's, let me call it like I see it seem to read.

Online narratives and then think that they can summon them into reality or things that they want to exist into reality through ju drastic action. Mm-hmm. And, and I mean, again, if people were like, why are you, why are you calling it white? I saw who the Snape wives were. These were women who thought that they were married to Snape in real life and right.

It's a, we could do a whole episode on that actually. That'd be, I think we might have at one point.

Simone Collins: I think we might have, yeah, I think we did. Maybe we combine snake wives with Etsy spells or something, but I'm pretty sure we did it.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Anyway, look, look us up in Snake Wives and you'll probably find on Google, YouTube has a wors