Leftists Argues Pronatalists Should Sterilize Black Women???

In this episode, Simone Collins and Malcolm discuss a provocative article from the Intelligencer that critiques their views and actions regarding reproductive justice and other sociopolitical issues. They delve into topics including government sterilization programs, disparity in reproductive services, and policies surrounding abortion and birth control, particularly their implications on marginalized communities. The conversation touches on broader themes like demographic collapse, social safety nets, and the intersection of political ideologies with reproductive rights. The script also features a comparison of contemporary progressive stances to Aldous Huxley's dystopian novel 'Brave New World,' and a review of Amanda Bradford's innovative dating app idea. Overall, the duo challenges commonly held progressive narratives and explores the deeper societal impacts of these controversial subjects.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I'm excited to talk to you today. Every now and then an article comes out and it's never the big ones. Like there was a New York Times article on us where you've a big picture of you on the front of it. I loved it.

You looked beautiful. It was the Women of Tism and I didn't care because it was kinda a boring article to me. But then it's the deranged articles I really like.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And, and one of the articles. From the Intelligencer basically argued that, and, and we'll go over it 'cause it's really fascinating.

It was like, well, what we should really be talking about isn't Tism but what was the word that they used about reproductive justice? Re Okay, so what they meant by this is that TISM should have had a lot more talk about sterilizing black women. I, I, I'm sorry. The government sterilizing black women and then it wouldn't be as racially problematic.

And I'm like, and hold on, hold on. No, sorry. You might be thinking here that ISTs should talk about the government not sterilizing black like that we should [00:01:00] be No, no, no, no. They think that Tism needs to have more talk in it in support of the government sterilizing black women. This is their progressive position.

Simone Collins: And I, these are the conversations that are missing Now. She couches it in. Well, we can go into the language if you want to, but it, it's still deeply disturbing to me that

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, she, well, she's like, look, black women have historically had access to the ability to abort their child as easily as white women have.

And that should be what we're focusing the prenatal list conversation around. And they haven't had access to b birth control and other means of sterilizing themselves at the rate white women had. And that is the one thing we should be talking about in fertility rates.

Now if you're here thinking, wait, is that true? That doesn't sound true. It's not true actually. , while black people only make up 14.4% of the US population, 38% of abortions are performed on black women. They make up the vast majority of [00:02:00] abortions. And if you look at Planned Parenthood clinics, I think it's something like 89% of them are in a minority majority neighborhood.

, they were originally set up famously, even by their own website. To sterilize black women as part of a eugenics program, , and they still function in that capacity. There is almost no organization, , that I think you should be more in support of than Planned Parenthood if you are an actual racist or a eugenics.

Simone Collins: To be fair, she also, you know, talks about the, the fact that they also want prenatal care, postnatal care fibroid screenings well also STI tests.

So that just has to do with, you know, yeah. What's it having? Continue having sex. But basically she's just like, why aren't we giving free healthcare to people of color and. That's, I don't see how that has to do with anything. Also, well, that, that's not why, which real, she, well, she opens with that, but then she proceeds to just [00:03:00] make it an argument about reproductive choice and then how Roe versus Wade makes this a bigger issue than ever.

So what's clear from her ultimate emphasis, even though she starts with this sort of vague illusion to wanting universal healthcare, at least for black women, is that. This is really an issue about abortions, and that's where it's, it, it gets my goat a little bit like, wait a second. Is that, that's what's missing from prenatal in your

Malcolm Collins: is.

It was, it was weird and meandering. But, but I will say that, that if you go through, and we'll get to this when we get to the piece, 'cause I wanna read some excerpts from it because it's, it is actually a very interesting piece and I quite liked it. Like it's one of these pieces where it's critical of us, but I like that it comes out.

Because of some of the things that are in it, which we'll get to in a second, not just from a humor standpoint, but a Oh, we've broken through one of the progressive walls. We're getting closer to getting through all of the progressive walls, right? Hmm. They have, they have seen something that historically they didn't see [00:04:00] before.

Right. And, and all of the things that she said we needed to give black women were like only relevant if they were like. Sexually promiscuous. And yeah, it made me realize that this is a person who believes that sex is a human, right? Well, I mean,

Simone Collins: to be fair, either sexually promiscuous or having babies.

But then why not? This for, for all women?

Malcolm Collins: Well, or, or, or like regularly being griped or something in their community. It's, it's, it's like this. There's these people out there, and we went over this in our prepped episode, which we'll review a bit in this one Good episode. You should check it out if you want.

This is the one that blew my mind. Yeah. About the government has us funding gay orgies. But anyway it's like these people think like the founding fathers are like writing down our, our, our rights, and they write down, okay, life, liberty. And the pursuit of sex with anyone you want without consequences.

That is, that is the, the three things that we need to preserve in this shrine of, of, of, of rights is the right to promiscuity, the right to sex with [00:05:00] anyone. The right to treat sex like a handshake, as the, you know, one person. Said, but let's, let's get into the, the first bit is a bit on you, which I thought was really interesting in this article here.

Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: So she goes, former venture capitalist, Simone Collins did attend Natal Con where she told an NPR reporter that she was prepared to die in childbirth. She also said that she would rather not. Do that, but explain that historically women died in childbirth at roughly similar rates to the rates which men died protecting their land and country.

I have no idea if that's true and I doubt the Collins does either. It's the sort of nonsense a person would say to provoke a reporter and the Collins are good at that. And no, Ann Collins is good at that. She and her husband Malcolm have appeared in so many news stories. I have lost count of the headlines and each article is more unsettling than the last.

So before we go further some things I like here is one is unlike the Slate article, which I really didn't appreciate, where they're like, why is everybody writing stuff about this couple? You know, they only. [00:06:00] Created a free school system, created a religion, have a fairly popular podcast, run a movement.

You know, they're like, I, I wonder if like, as they were wri