Real Fascism Has Neve Been Tried—Fascism *IS* Socialism

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive deep into the provocative question: “Has real fascism ever been tried?” In this thought-provoking episode, Malcolm explores the historical and ideological roots of fascism, socialism, and their intersections with modern political movements. The discussion challenges conventional narratives about left and right-wing ideologies, examining how terms like “fascism” and “socialism” have been redefined over time.

The conversation covers:

* The origins and definitions of fascism and socialism

* How historical figures like Mussolini and Hitler viewed their own movements

* The role of collectivism, authoritarianism, and racial/ethnic narratives in shaping ideologies

* Parallels between past and present political rhetoric

* The influence of institutions, religion, and education on political identity

* The dangers of labeling and the importance of questioning mainstream narratives

Whether you agree or disagree, this episode encourages critical thinking and a deeper look at the history and language of political ideologies. Perfect for viewers interested in history, politics, and challenging the status quo.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be exploring a chain of logic that I jumped into based on a, a simple joke that caught my mind as I was walking around, which is real fascism has never been tried. And this joke came to me because I was thinking about the, oh, you know, real communism has never been tried.

But as I started to follow this to its conclusion, what I came to realize, and we’ve talked about this before on this podcast, but I think through chasing this chain of logic, you can see it more completely okay. That the modern left is not only. Just fascist, like, like they are definitionally more fascist by the original definition of fascism when it was created than either the Nazis or Mussolini was.

Mm-hmm. But so, so not only are they, are they more fascist, but the, there was a sort of [00:01:00] dedicated campaign to rebrand fascism as something other than socialism. All social, all fascism is what I’m gonna be arguing in. This is what we in modern times call socialism with ethnic overtones ethnic class struggle, overtones.

And I will note here that people will be like, well, it’s, it’s, it’s nationalistic ethnic overtones. And it’s like, not really. The fascist movement was Pan National to an extent. And one of the, one of the really interesting things is whenever I. We’ll talk to, like, I’ll try to engage in AI on this topic or something like that.

And I’ll say, you know, in what way was fascism, not just socialism, right? And they’ll say, well, fascism contained a lot of far right elements and. I’ll be like, name one, and this is the thing. It’s not like it was socialism mixed with far right elements. It [00:02:00] literally has not a single right wing element as a component of it unless you say that racism is right wing.

Only when it’s practiced by white people, which is a racist comment in and of itself. So what I, what I’ll mean here is it will say like, oh, it was right wing through things like antisemitism. And yet, and we’ll go into the data on this. The original thinkers of the the Marxist and socialist movement were far more explicitly anti-Semitic than literally, I think the, the least anti-Semitic of the socialist founding fathers was more anti-Semitic than the most anti-Semitic of America’s founding father.

Dramatic margin. So, so one, it is a explicitly anti-Semitic in its roots, modern leftism. But even today, if you look at anti-Jewish hate crimes, they are far more committed by leftists than they are by righteous. So [00:03:00] to say that Nazis were right in their form of socialism because it was anti-emetic, is frankly common.

So let’s go into this. Fascism’s classification is a distinct ideology, particularly the far right. Part of it. Yeah. It was a post hoc academic construction, largely driven by left-leaning scholars in the mid 20th century to rehabilitate socialism’s image after World War II by severing fascism from its socialist roots and rebranding.

It obscured the shared collectivist state interventionists and anti-capitalist elements between the two, allowing socialism to be portrayed as inherently progressive and egalitarian while fascism was demonized. Its reactionary, and so when you ask. You know, go into AI and you say, what’s the difference between fascism and socialism?

It will give you five core points. And so this is, this is what we’re gonna be looking at here. Right.

Simone Collins: Okay. Okay. I’m, I never thought to ask this. You’re, you’re kind of blowing my mind because all of the socialist YouTubers that I follow are [00:04:00] constantly calling MAGA fascist. I was just watching another video this morning where that happened.

So like what? Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So it, it’s, it’s, it is both a what. But also a very obvious thing, right? Like,

Simone Collins: okay, when you

Malcolm Collins: dig down into it. And by the way, if you haven’t seen our video on Starship Troopers that we use to explore fascism as a concept much more, I strongly suggest you watch it. It’s one of the best we’ve ever made.

But anyway, to continue here it has an authoritarian structure. A single leader or party with absolute power, often portraying themselves as the embodiment of a nation’s will opposition is crushed via secret police censorship, and violence. Now. You could say, does this mirror modern socialism? So who is the face of modern socialism?

You’re looking at Hassan Piker, right? Like I, I think it’d be hard to argue that somebody else is the face of modern socialism. He is the number one left-leaning streamer. Okay. So Hassan Piker recently did a trip to the CCP where he went on and on good China. How great the CCP [00:05:00] was, so, and how much better the CCP was than the United States.

So note here, the United States. Is a capitalist democracy, maybe an imperfect democracy, but it is a democracy. He said that the CCP in contrast was a much better way to structure a government. So let’s see if that fits. Criteria one. A single leader or party with absolute power often portraying themselves as the embodiment of a nation’s will opposition is crushed via secret police censorship, and violence.

That is exactly fascism. It’s not related to fascism. Along this differentiating point it is. Exactly fascism. In addition to the using authoritarian technocratic, controlled hierarchical governments, ruled by unelected officials to crush free speech, is that not what we see actively going on in the UK right now, which is much more left wing than the United States?

Is unelected officials very frequently implementing extremely draconian legal [00:06:00] restrictions where, for example, somebody was arrested. For writing simply on their wall. Islam can be questioned. And this is something I’ll get to deeper here. Obviously you wouldn’t be arrested if you had wrote, Christianity can be questioned.

Obviously you wouldn’t be arrested if you had written. Judaism can be questioned, right? So the other thing I’ll write here is they’ll say, well, it’s an egalitarian. Belief system. And I’ll point out that no, when you look at the de colonialist mindset, what you actually see is a very explicit racialist agenda that, that highly mirrors.

The Racialist agenda we saw was in Nazism. So to continue here. Unitarianism and often racism. So they’ll say the nation or the ethnic group is exalted as superior with myths of historical greatness. Or victimhood used to justify expansionism and