Splitting Humanity: Physical Elites, Cognitive Elites, & The Drugged Masses (Raw Egg Nationalist)

Malcolm, Simone, and controversial writer Raw Egg Nationalist have a far-ranging discussion on where humanity may be headed in the future. They talk about a potential split between high willpower "physical elites" and "cognitive elites", compared to a drugged up underclass losing agency and personal responsibility. Other topics include fertility correlates, the failures of trad-con thinking, why kids need protection from indoctrination, targeting of dissidents' children, and more.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, this is Malcolm Collins here with Simone, and we are joined by raw egg nationalists. I would be very surprised if there are members of our audience who don't know who he is. But, he, he, he's a really an influencer and sort of the conservative lifestyle space, specifically focused on trying to raise awareness around the feminization of the male body due to things like endocrine disruptors,

if you. Want to follow him on Twitter. His, his at is baby gravy nine and he's written five books at this point He's got a sub stack you can check out and yeah Man's world magazine. Oh, yes, of course man's world and it's gonna have a physical edition soon I've heard which is pretty cool. I'd like to see that in stores The the powers that be well probably never let that happen.

So long as it keeps being honest but the topic that I wanted to focus on today was where do you think [00:01:00] society is going like 500 years in the future? And you can chart this in steps, like where you think things are going in 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, et cetera. So let's go.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Well, it's, it's great to be back.

We had such a wonderful conversation last time. I'm, I'm sure this is, this is going to be fantastic too. So, fundamentally, I think I have a, I have a kind of HG Wells esque vision of the future. I think what we're going to see is we're going to see a kind of, a kind of split. In the human race, I think, I mean, I like to, I'm an, I'm an optimist, or I try to be an optimist in many ways about people's ability to take control of their lives.

You know, I mean, I tell people, look, there are simple things that you can do. You're overweight, you can lose weight. You know, you, you can stop eating as much food as you're eating. You can get active, you can reduce your exposure to endocrine disruptors, and you know, you can transform your life. You will be, if you do that, you will be unrecognizable [00:02:00] in a year.

Three years, five years, you'll be a totally different person on my slightly less optimistic days. And I do think that actually there is a large segment of the population that now we'll find it impossible not to be. enormously unhealthy, to be dysgenically unhealthy. And, I mean, you only need to look at the emergence of drugs like Azempic, for instance, Wegovy, you know, these, these fat loss miracle, miracle drugs that are being marketed now.

You know, I mean, they're being explicitly marketed on the, on the assumption. That the majority of people just can't lose weight any other way. Yeah. We, we can't reform society in, in ways that will make it easier for people to make the right choices. And so what you have to do is you have to rely on pharma to do it.

So that's, so this is, this is really where I think it comes in. I think there will be a, there will be fundamentally, I don't know at [00:03:00] what point, maybe it's happening right now. There will be a kind of selection event almost where people with willpower will kind of... We'll kind of break away from the rest of society into a kind of, a physical elite, I think.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, I, I, one thing I want to add to this, because I think it's really interesting, and this, for me, has been a big turnaround in my relationship with people of Rotundity. Which is contextualizing for myself that obesity is about as genetic as IQ, so very genetic, like 0. 8. However, it does not appear from my research that this level of genetic correlation with obesity is due to any biological change.

It's not like these people have higher or lower metabolism. Actually, human metabolism does not change that much. It would make a difference if you're going, like, two and a half standard deviations from the norm of, like, 200 calories a day. So, like... a candy bar and that's it. So what, what is really then happening here with obesity?

[00:04:00] I think to what you're getting is that willpower is enormously genetic. And so it would make sense what you're talking about. If you begin to have. People separating out, you will have, and I think that this is very different from what a lot of people anticipate, which is like, oh, society will split into like a high IQ and low IQ group, whereas you're saying no, it's going to split into maybe a high willpower, low willpower group, which I could see, I'd be I'd be much more interested in marrying a high willpower person than a high IQ person.

Simone Collins: Well, I think the, what's going on with Osempic and we go via all the semi glutide interventions is it really does demonstrate that this is a willpower thing. Why is that the case? Well, these don't actually slow your metabolism. They make you feel less hungry. So what they're really controlling is willpower in a sense and not, not actual metabolism, which is really, in fact, they're, they're adversely affecting your metabolism because when you lose so much weight, your metabolism drops and then people go off it.

And of course, they gain weight super fast because their body's like, Oh, we're starving.

Raw Egg Nationalist: So yeah. [00:05:00] And, and what, and what also happens is of course that that there've been a couple of studies that have showed this, but you don't just lose fat, you lose muscle. Yeah. And mu and muscle is much more metabolically expensive to maintain than fat.

So actually, oh, you lose, you lose 200 pounds or whatever, but you've actually lost a huge amount of skeletal muscle and then you, unless

Simone Collins: you're actively weight training while you're losing. Yeah, like there are some like nerds who are definitely going for that. Like they're really like, they're aware of the problem, but you don't.

Like, that's like, first off, if you're disciplined enough to lift weights while you're going through this, then you're probably not the kind of person who absolutely needs to use dem semaglutide. No,

Raw Egg Nationalist: exactly. So it's. But what they're, and what they're talking about as well is they're talking about using Azempic and other GLP 1 receptor agonists.

That's the class of drugs that Azempic belongs to. They're talking about using them now to treat other forms of addiction. They're talking about using them to treat alcoholism, for instance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

Simone Collins: I was just having a conversation with an obesity doctor and [00:06:00] another super smart guy about this.

And for example, we've had naltrexone forever to treat alcoholism and a bunch of other forms of addiction, but people don't really like how it makes them feel, right? Cause nothing's really that much fun. And you know, these, these new, this new class of drugs is. a lot more pleasant to use, even though there are some unpleasant side effects.

So yeah, it could have a really interesting effect. And it is interesting. I want to see a lot more research on the effects that these do have, even like people have, I don't know how, how much this is anecdotal for people or a placebo effect, you know, reporting less time on social media, less time gambling, et cetera.

It's super interesting.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Well, the side, the side effects of, of semaglutide a