The Effective Altruism to S*X Work Pipeline

In this deep dive, we explore the intricate dynamics of the Effective Altruism (EA) community and its links to polyamory and sex work within the tech-centric Silicon Valley culture. The conversation exposes how women in these communities are often caught in a cycle of exploitation, love-bombing, and employment gaps, making it difficult to escape. We also discuss the cultural shift from monogamy towards polyamory, the socioeconomic repercussions faced by women, and the contrasting perspectives between supporters and critics of this lifestyle. Additionally, the discussion meanders through personal anecdotes, societal observations, and humorous insights, ultimately highlighting the complexities of modern relationships within a high-status, intellectually driven community.

Simone Collins: [00:00:00] With the grooming gang pipeline in the UK, there was obviously. A sort of plan, intention, like we are going to begin using these young women as economic assets, we're going to go out and find them, but the same general dynamic happened organically, like the women in this case found the EA community, you know, they selected into it, but the same dynamic started to play, where they essentially first got love bombed, and they were vulnerable, and they were kind of disassociated from their home community at that point distinct from the rest of society, they fell into this community and then they started getting passed around.

Speaker 9: Butters, do you have a problem? All these are kissing fellers, and they haven't figured out that they can be making

Malcolm Collins: And, it creates these giant black holes in their resumes.

Simone Collins: Where for years Oh no, right, if you have this big employment gap.

Malcolm Collins: Yes, and that's why they get trapped because now they can't do anything else. And now the type of guy who wants a long term partner doesn't want to marry them.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: And I'd point out, none of this happens intentionally. This is basically the story of the [00:01:00] EA community as it relates to women.

Speaker 2: In an effort to raise money came up with a nifty plan where she'd date guys and charge them money.

Speaker 4: I go on dates all the time with a whole bunch of, you know, boys and

Speaker 2: stuff.

Speaker 4: And I kind of need somebody to help me out, like, you know, my partner in crime.

Speaker 2: Yeah,

thanks so much for asking. She said she needed my help to make sure that the dates went okay and that the guys paid her. Oh my god, you were a pimp. What? God, no. No, I was just trying to help a friend. And wouldn't you know it, some of Brenda's girlfriends Decided they wanted to be a part of it. Decided I shouldn't use my real name. So we came up with the name Gator. I'm telling you, you're a pimp. No! Are you even listening to the story?

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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone! I have had my perspective changed pretty dramatically on polyamory recently. The affective altruist community, slash the rationalist community, slash the singularity community, because they sort of all come together into this Silicon Valley diaspora community, or wider sort of Silicon Valley.

I [00:02:00] don't know what you want to say at the, like, heart of the Silicon Valley ecosystem at the moment. And it's been pretty dramatic, because I used to have this perspective of being okay with sex work more broadly.

Not religiously speaking, I'm just like legally speaking, okay?

Simone Collins: Legally. Wow. Okay. Where are we going with this? I'm so curious. What I

Malcolm Collins: mean is, I think that all of this stuff is against the Bible. I think it is against what you're supposed to do. But Right, but if you

Simone Collins: don't follow the Bible or any other religion that's against a personal thing, this

Malcolm Collins: is not Even legally, it might make sense to make this stuff illegal.

Oh. Just because,

Simone Collins: basically, logistically, it produces bad outcomes, from a societal level, on a personal level.

Malcolm Collins: deleterious outcomes for many of the people or most of the people involved in a way that they would want at the end of the pipeline to be like, I wish I had never gotten into the beginning of that pipeline.

In the same way drugs or gambling might create that scenario for an individual. But even more dramatically, it changed my [00:03:00] view on polyamory. Which I used to be pretty okay with. If people don't know polyamory. This is where you take multiple other partners, most partners, just sort of sleep around.

Well,

Simone Collins: no, not necessarily. Someone who's polyamorous just isn't exclusively romantically attached to people. So maybe one partner is monogamous and the other one's polyamorous, and as long as the monogamous partner consents to the polyamorous person having other partners, then it's still a functional relationship.

It's not like everyone in a polyamorous relationship has to sleep around a ton.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, sure, sure. You can have one person sleep around a ton. And there are forms of polyamory that I'm still okay with. Oh, really? Oh,

Simone Collins: okay.

Malcolm Collins: Wow. So this is very intriguing. Very spicy, yes. We actually talked in a previous video about how a style that some women have used to secure high quality mates that we have seen be successful is to propose polyamorous relationships.

That were married relationships and then use that to get the guy to marry them have kids with them And then as the guy got older he stopped caring about sex with other random people

Because

as somebody's saying in the [00:04:00] discord non reproductive sex gets gross when you get older and I actually I hate to say it like

Simone Collins: kinda does.

Well, I don't know. Does non reproductive sex with a 20 year old get grosser, Malcolm? Or is it just with older women? Oh, that's an

Malcolm Collins: interesting point. I

Simone Collins: mean

Malcolm Collins: If I had a stable of 20 year olds I'd have a stable of 20 year olds, which I need. Can we work on that for one dictator?

Hey, Hey, Hey,

I'm not. Oh my God.

There's such a funny video. So freedom tunes does these great shows. We inject them in our videos all the time. They did one recently where the Democrats were trying to run a scam on old people to get the money that they used to be getting from a USAID. And one of them gets to the place and somebody takes the phone from the old woman.

And he's like, who is this? Is this you, Chuck Schumer? And it's pretty clear into it that it's Elon Musk. And he goes, if I catch you here again, I'll impregnate you. Oh my god. That is, I want that to be Elon's stereotypical, like, attack on people now. [00:05:00] You come here again and I'll knock you up, you fat b*****d.

You wrinkly old piece of, you know, whatever. So anyway Point being, I need to make that my thing, like, I can't do that because I'm like, with a woman who I love and like, I'm known for knocking up random people. Give me a billion dollars and I might change my tune on this, right? Oh

Simone Collins: my god.

All I'm saying is, I think that people Can find sex to be arousing in the right scenario and I imagine you know your point there But so the point here making