The Future of Women - With Louise Perry

In this thought-provoking discussion, we are joined by author Louise Perry to explore the future of women in the context of declining birth rates.

We discuss artificial wombs, the importance of maternal bonds, and whether radical family structures could ever be wise. Louise argues that rapid technological change often induces a form of gender dysphoria, as modern lifestyles deprive women and men of their instinctive roles.

We also touch on the unique psychology of teenage girls, the stages of a woman's life, perpetually chasing maidenhood, and the need for cultural expectations around family formation. Louise offers her vision for a pro-woman future that supports femininity while also allowing some flexibility.

Overall, a nuanced look at where women may be headed and how we can build a society that enables them to thrive.

Louise Perry: [00:00:00] I, I'm kind of of the opinion that modern life induces something like gender dysphoria in almost everyone.

Malcolm Collins: I want to hear more.

Louise Perry: But, you know, the basic things I always think when you look at the list of sort of things. Ways to resolve depression and anxiety. The list of things that you're advised to do are basically the list of things that would comprise a standard hunter gatherer day, right? Like being outside, exercising, socializing with other people.

sitting around a campfire, you know, all this kind of stuff, which, which people, which people have hormonally respond to really positively, but which, which, which aren't a part of a standard modern day. And so for men, you know, that includes things like hunting and fishing and like being with male friends and all this kind of stuff, which, which they are largely denied. And similarly for women, like I, I, it is my strong intuition, for instance, that one of the things that is driving [00:01:00] the famed.

Poor mental health of teenage girls, it is Instagram and all of this kind of stuff. I agree with that. I think it's also that teenage girls historically would have spent a lot of time around young children.

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: Hello everyone. We are super excited today to be joined by Louise Perry, who wrote the case against the sexual revolution, a book that really got a lot of people talking for the first time about things, just not really working for women. In addition to things not really working for men in modern society.

Plus she is the podcast host of maiden mother matriarch, one of the. Fastest growing new podcasts recently. So it's a great re listen and basically she has the best guests on. So please do check out that podcast as well as the book. But

Malcolm Collins: today, hold on, hold on. Just for framing for audience. If you haven't heard of her because you're just mentioning books and stuff, she's probably the.

most influential conservative influencer in the UK right now. In terms of like conservative social ideas, intellectualism, she's [00:02:00] the big wig right now. And she's really been moving the bar forwards on a number of issues. All right. So

Louise Perry: very kind. Hey, no, we

Simone Collins: were just in, in London for a week talking with a bunch of people who are in influential positions of society.

And when we talked with people about like, well, who is the public facing, you know, leader of, of modern conservative thought moving things forward. We heard your name.

Malcolm Collins: So the topic of today is going to be the future of women, like where you think the future of women is going. And this is in the context of fertility rates, because obviously the future of women is hugely going to be determined by the types of women.

Who actually have kids. So first I just love your initial thoughts. And we can talk short term, long term, right? Like I think we can talk like what works now for having kids, how we can, we motivate individual groups now for having kids and then we'll go into the future. Where do you think women are going to be in a hundred years?

Where do you think women are going to be in 500 years?

Louise Perry: I [00:03:00] did a debate recently in LA organized. By Barry Weiss and the free press about that sexual revolution. And Grimes, who was, I was debating against, had this great line, which we were just kind of running with the whole, was a sexual revolution good or bad for women?

And Grimes just said, you know, if women still exist, of course, and it's a good comment. Oh my gosh. And it was like a funny comment, but also an astute one, because obviously biotech is all to play for, except, I mean, as I'm sure you'll both agree, we are at this very. Difficult potential bifurcation points where we could go evermore down the biotech route and, you know, upload ourselves to the cloud or whatever, which I have my misgivings about, you know, and I've, one of the things for instance, I've, I'm, I'm skeptical of is some kinds of some kinds of repro tech.

I'm more open to others. We can get into it. That's one route that we might go down as a species, as a civilization. The other, as, as we all know, is that actually birth rate. The birth rate problem leads to [00:04:00] such economic stagnation, such civilizational decline that we never actually, we don't actually make any technological progress.

That actually we end up stalling at the end of going backwards. I don't really know which is going to happen. I mean, I suppose it's plausible that, that both might happen, that you might end up with kind of high tech enclaves in some parts of the world. That's our camp. Yeah. Which get ever more like a, like Byzantium or something, right.

You know, civilization retreating to very, very high tech and relatively stable and affluent. enclaves while everywhere else unfortunately experiences the effects of low birth rates. Maybe, I don't know, maybe that's the route. Either way, it's obviously going to have an enormous effect on,

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Here's a question I have for you, because I actually see a third path, right?

So I think that there are, there, well, I mean, there's, there's, I think you're going to have some people trying for each path. Like, obviously we, Simone and I are part of the cultural group this time for the ultra high tech pathway. [00:05:00] Whereas we see you and you can correct us if we're wrong as sort of, and, and, and we, we frame all of the different cultural approaches to fertility rates right now and family right now as hypotheses and, and, and time will judge which hypotheses are intergenerationally stable.

One that's very obviously intergenerationally stable, which you called out as well. Are these xenophobic, technophobic and, and generally economically unproductive cultural groups which they will definitely exist in the future. Just how much they matter depends on if anyone else still exists, but I sort of have always seen you as representing something quite in between the two.

Not the aggressively technophobic and xenophobic group, but if a group that represents sort of more wholesome, traditional values. And I'm wondering if you are representing that group, how do you see that group as, as sort of recruiting and staying stable in a world in which they [00:06:00] increasingly, and you could say this is, this won't happen, but I sort of see increasingly they won't have control over governing systems.

that they live under. So how do they protect themselves in environments where there's hostile governments, et cetera? Like, what are your thoughts?

Louise Perry: Yeah. So, I mean, I'm quite agnostic on this question and I think about it a lot. I think it's a very difficul