The Problem With Being a Pronatalist

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] there's another thing about the pronatalist movement

and that is what I'd call our Tucker and Dale force versus evil problem. It is about the way that the people from the urban monoculture dehumanize other people outside of the urban monoculture to such an extent that they can only see them as like freaks and murderers, no matter how nice they're trying to be to them And end up like murdering themselves in the process

Oh, good, look, your friends are here! Hey!

You're supposed to want to have children. And this is your ultimate goal in life. It is a very archaic idea and old idea and representation of a woman.

So you you're getting people to sign a petition.

pledge, basically saying that they will not have Children until the Canadian government takes serious action on climate change.

Is that your blood? What, no. No, it's college kid blood. And how many people have signed on so far. 1, [00:01:00] 381 as of right now. I know what this is. This is a suicide pact. Oh my god, that makes so much sense. , we have got to hide all of the sharp objects!

if only I was born with a vagina. To solve that problem. Amen, sister.

Holy mother of God! Some kid, he just hucked himself right into the wood chipper! What? Head first, right into the wood chipper! It looked like it might have been one of the college kids..

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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I am so excited to be talking with you again today back at our old location where we originally started filming, but now we have a hard connection.

So you guys get solid video quality from here. But one thing I wanted to think about today

Simone Collins: is

Malcolm Collins: the nature of running the pronatalist or being leading figures in the pronatalist movement. And what that means. And why we look so

Simone Collins: much younger and less stressed than Greta. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Because there was an article that came out in Politico about the pronatalist conference [00:02:00] and they noted, they're like despite it being a fairly glum message, everyone seemed really upbeat and everyone was really optimistic.

Simone Collins: Yeah, honestly, there was so much laughing. There was so much joking. There was so much lightheartedness, which is funny because demographic collapse is dire and scary. Yeah. It's, it is the, it is like climate change, a very scary shift that if not properly planned for is going to hurt the most vulnerable.

Oh

Malcolm Collins: yeah, millions of people are going to die slow and painful deaths because of this. . conservatively. Actually, , I'd say probably at least a billion people are going to die a slow and painful death over demographic collapse.

And people are like, what do you mean? Come on. That's an exaggeration. And I'm like, okay. Or you could look at every state social security system, every state's Medicare system. How are they going to pay for that? How are they going to pay to keep their elderly alive? Okay, they're not they're gonna die.

They're gonna starve. They're gonna freeze and they're not gonna get medical [00:03:00] treatments That's what's gonna happen as a result of all this but you might say then why is it such an upbeat movement? Why is it so low stress to operate? One and this is something I really noticed at the event itself is there is no status hierarchy signaling within the movement.

While in our discord server, people do list how many kids they have. That really isn't a sign of status within the movement. Yeah. And

Simone Collins: one reason, and I just want to emphasize this because this is so freaking important. It does not matter how many kids you have. What matters is how many grandchildren and great grandchildren you have.

If you don't give your kids a great upbringing and they're not super stoked about passing on your culture and having their own kids, you failed. So I don't care if you have one kid or you have 10 kids, it matters what happens with those kids.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah so one, I think it's the lack of status hierarchy.

When I'm in environmentalist stuff, there's a status hierarchy and signaling how much you care about the environment and what you're doing for the environment, which is a very important part of these rallies and attend in events and stuff like that. And it's actually like [00:04:00] the reason people go to them.

That is an absolutely massive part of why it's so low stress.

As to why there's no status hierarchy, I can only speculate, but it may be because at many of these other events, people who participate in them are participating in them in part because they have been rejected from other social communities. and so the validation that they get within this community is the only source of validation or place where they can really rank high from a social hierarchy perspective.

So they really focus on masturbating that instinct. But within the pronatalist movement, at least as it stands right now, No one's really involved in it who isn't more famous or more successful was in a another community. And that's probably what's, what's causing it is you don't get the, nerdy neck beard types going.

Malcolm Collins: The second thing that we could talk about is if you look at the antinatalist movement you can see that they have unusually high rates of [00:05:00] sociopathy and narcissism and stuff like that. And I suspect that if you looked at the pronatalist movement, you would see the exact opposite of unusually high rates of incredibly low anxiety.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And low

Malcolm Collins: levels of depression. You're

Simone Collins: not Going to be as motivated to have kids. If you are depressed, if you have, if you struggle with life. So yeah, people who are having kids typically are doing pretty well mentally, financially, physically. And

Malcolm Collins: I think a wave of nihilism has overtaken our society.

And this wave of nihilism that is particularly popular among the youth to enter a community and the perinatalist community almost necessarily has almost no nihilism in their thinking. Yeah. Has almost no nihilism, almost none of this Oh, the future isn't going to be great so long as we could fix it, or the future isn't going to be great for us.

I should note here that this wasn't just something that we noticed. Diana Fleischman said quote in a tweet, also it's likely that the natalism conference had the lowest rate of personality and psychiatric disorders of any conference I have attended. And [00:06:00] then, Bodak said on Twitter, one interesting thing about natalcon was that every single attendee was extremely healthy and attractive and well dressed, a welcome relief from normal life.

Malcolm Collins: but there's another thing about the pronatalist movement that's really interesting and it puts it in quite a different position than other activist movements.

And that is what I'd call our Tucker and Dale force versus evil problem. Where there is this scene in the movie where they're just trying to help these college kids and the college kids think that they're like these horrible villains because they have stereotypes about Republicans basically, or like rural people.

Yeah, like rednecks. They're basically, the movie is great if you are anti urban monoculture. It is basically about the way that the people from the urban monoculture dehumanize other people outside of the urban monoculture to such an extent that they can only see them as like freaks and murderers, no matter how ni