Why Pronatalists Should Support the D.I.N.K. Lifestyle

We explain why the childfree/DINK (dual income, no kids) lifestyle is not something the pronatalist community should oppose. If people do not wish to have children, they likely would make poor parents and passing on those genes is not productive. We also highlight how the animosity towards DINKs often stems from jealousy, not concern for civilization. Ultimately, voluntary sterilization of those not fit to parent strengthens society long-term.

[00:00:00] We're Dinks. We can go to Florida on a whim. We're Dinks. We're already planning our European vacation next year. Dinks. We get a full eight hours of sleep and sometimes more.

We're Dinks. We get desserts and appetizers at restaurants. We're Dinks

Simone Collins: the response that pronatalist communities or even just like broadly conservative people have to them is just totally wrong.

These are people who really, really, really, really should not be having kids.

Malcolm Collins: We mean this both from a genetic reason.

Like, as we've talked about, like a dink is obviously more likely to be narcissistic, less likely to want to get back to society, et cetera. But in addition to that, they're not going to be good parents.

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: I just hit record. So we're set. Let's make sure you're looking gorgeous. I love it when you have a little flippy do on your forehead of hair. It's

Malcolm Collins: just really I wanted to see. So we will, I love my wife and I am excited to be here with you today. Because we are going to talk about a subject. that I didn't really know about. Apparently there was some meme around this because a bunch of [00:01:00] people got mad at people on the internet about this, because people on the internet love to get mad and judge other people.

But it is the phenomenon of dinks. And it's a dual income, no kids. No kids. So these are couples, no kids. And I think a lot of people they look at us, you know, the ISTs and they're like, oh, you're fighting the dinks. Right? And it's like, not really . And we'll, we'll get to this actually. You said at the prenatal list conference, somebody came up, right?

Mm-Hmm. . And they were like, well you guys as ISTs, you know, what are your views on and how are you going to fight the use of condoms? You know, like in other contraceptive drivers,

Simone Collins: right. . And they also ask you this, like on the spot in front of a large audience of people.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I said something along the lines of, look, I do not want kids being born because they were born accidentally.

That is not

Simone Collins: a victory. Seriously, or to people who don't want them. Come on guys.

Malcolm Collins: How is that a good thing that we are basically [00:02:00] forcing you know, people who don't want kids to have children with people who they did not intend to have children with? Talk about cruelty.

Simone Collins: What to the

Malcolm Collins: kids, you know, she's just like, come on.

Yeah. And this is, this is very much around dinks, you know, if somebody doesn't want kids, like that is not our job. We

Simone Collins: also like, we don't want them to have kids. Our job is to protect. They're right to not have kids. Cause if we care about

Malcolm Collins: kids from them, exactly, exactly, let's, let's talk about dinks more broadly.

So, we'll do the little video of the dinks here. So you can see

We're Dinks. We go to Trader Joe's and workout classes on the weekends. We're Dinks. We get into snobby hobbies like skiing and golfing. We're Dinks. We can go to Florida on a whim. We're Dinks. We're already planning our European vacation next year. Dinks. We get a full eight hours of sleep and sometimes more.

We're Dinks. We get desserts and appetizers at restaurants. We're Dinks. We can play with other kids and give them back. We're Dinks. We still do it three times a week. We're Dinks. We spend our discretionary [00:03:00] income. We're dinks. We max out our 401ks, Roth IRAs, and HSAs. We're dinks. We don't use our kids or dog as an excuse to leave a party.

We just leave.

Malcolm Collins: they do come off as a little, well, I mean, well, for

Simone Collins: context, like dinks did start trending a lot recently because a lot of dinks are making Tik TOK videos specifically about it. And this one couple doing this sort of back and forth of dink lifestyle amenities went viral.

Which led to a

Malcolm Collins: lot of discussion. Our friend of the show, Edward Dutton, did a counter dink video that I'll Which is hilarious. Found randomly. It just came up and he's like, oh, his voice sounds familiar.

We're dinks. We've been sucked into a death cult. We're dinks. We're putting our immediate hedonistic desires above our long term genetic interests. We're dinks. We're part of a selection event, and we've been selected out. We're dinks. We're coping with the fact that we're going to be failures as organisms.

We're dinks. When we're older, we're going to look back on our lives with a profound sense of regret. We're dinks. We're going to die cold, alone, and with no one in the world who loves [00:04:00] us.

Malcolm Collins: But no, no, no, it makes perfect sense, right? So, the, these individuals, like when you see what they're talking about, when you see why they're excited to not have kids you're going to repeatedly see a few through lines.

It's, it's primarily because it allows them to engage with more consumerism. That's a really big thing. Like they're like, or

Simone Collins: savings. Like in, in, in the Dink video, they're like, we max out our Roth IRA, 401k and HSA. Well, we do too, by the way. Parents are more likely to need to do that because then you just save the money.

But yeah, whatever.

Malcolm Collins: No, not just, they're, they're, they're much more excited in their consumerist behavior. They are. We can buy an 8 latte that we can go on random trips so that we can

Simone Collins: appetizers and desserts. That we do too.

Malcolm Collins: Who does that? Who goes to a restaurant and orders three courses? That's insane.

Simone Collins: Well, we order appetizers 'cause we just eat appetizers. , like

Malcolm Collins: shared appetizers. Yeah. We order [00:05:00] appetizers to save money and you know, save, save on calories, . Well, so, so there's that. And then there's a lot of like, well we get to have sex more often or Yeah, we still have

Simone Collins: sex three times a week.

So many married couples we know have not sex three times a week. Every single night. If you care about that, kids aren't going to stop you from doing it.

Malcolm Collins: . Hold on, Simone. I'm not saying, and I do not think it is helpful for us to say, that married couples can have everything a dink can have. True. While, you know, you can look at individual things you're seeing and saying, that's not true of all married couples.

I think that that is, it is, it's disingenuous to make the claim that married couples and dinks have access to the same amount of resources. And that is really, really important is that they actually do have access to more resources. What is more interesting to me and I think what causes the backlash to them is why do they want these additional resources?

What [00:06:00] are they trading? The continuation of our species and their culture and