Show full transcript 0:39 search for iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today. 0:43 How do you know that Claude won't become manipulative? 0:48 This is a constant worry. 0:50 And you can actually catch the model thinking 0:52 I think X is actually true, but I'm going to tell the user why I'm Walter Isaacson on my new podcast the builders 0:59 I'm going inside the minds of people shaping our future 1:03 Listen to the builders starting October 13th on the I heart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast 1:13 From shocking betrayals to carefully planned murders the black effects new original podcast series bloodline crimes 1:20 hosted by me, Morgan Wood, explores the darkest 1:25 and bizarre cases where family became 1:27 the most dangerous threat of all. 1:31 Listen to the Black Effect's bloodline crimes 1:33 every Thursday, starting October 8th 1:36 from the Black Effect podcast network 1:37 on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 1:40 or wherever you get your podcast. 1:43 The detective said he had stalked her 1:45 before she died. 1:46 Years later, they said he remained the person 1:48 they continued to focus on. 1:50 This is Hunter Gilmour, host of Hunting for Answers, a true crime podcast, shedding light on 1:55 the silent epidemic of missing and murdered black women and girls, bringing attention to stories 2:00 that equally deserve to be told and to the questions that still remain. Listen to Hunting 2:04 for Answers, a true crime podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio 2:09 app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. On January 23rd, 2024, Paul Augustine 2:23 heard a knock at his front door. Paul seemed reluctant to get too close to the officers 2:41 who are now standing in his living room. 2:44 I'm scared, I've never... 2:45 Why are you scared, Paul? 2:47 Okay, because cops are... 2:48 I've never had this happen. 2:50 Take it apart. 2:51 You're okay. 2:52 I'm nervous, and I want to let my mom know. 2:54 What's going on? 2:56 I'm really, really scared. 2:58 The walls were closing in on Paul. 3:15 I'm Andrei Gunning, and this is Betrayal Season 6, 3:19 Episode 5, Blind Spot. 3:21 In the last episode of Betrayal, the wrong man was arrested for stalking and harassing Carl Bryan. 3:31 All the circumstantial evidence pointed to Carl's ex, Adam Mejia. 3:36 There had been a year of harassing messages escalating in severity, all from spoofed phone numbers. 4:06 The 4:06 day after Detective George arrested Adam Mejia, she got a report back from the spoofing company. 4:12 me. 4:13 The results shocked her. 4:15 Every single message linked back to one phone number, and it wasn't Adams. 4:21 I had been a pawn in Paul Augustine's game. 4:27 He had set up Adam Mejia to take the fall for him. 4:31 When Detective George learned the truth, she rushed to release Adam Mejia from custody. 4:37 I started making phone calls. 4:39 I called the attorney's office, and I said, hey, you got the wrong guy. 4:42 And I said, I am 100% sure you need to release him right now." 4:46 Then she set out to question the real perpetrator. 4:51 She and her partner, Nick Morrow, drove to Sam's Club. 4:54 That's where Paul Augustine worked. 4:56 A manager offered them an office where they could speak with Paul privately off the 5:01 sales floor. 5:02 The detectives didn't tell Paul they were coming. 5:05 He seemed quite surprised to see them. 5:12 As far as Paul knew, he'd gotten away with it. 5:16 Adam had been arrested just as he'd planned. 5:19 Instead of confronting Paul with the new information they'd found, detectives decided 5:23 to engage in a bit of theater. 5:28 For a lot of this episode, we'll be playing police body cam audio. 5:32 Some of the names have been redacted, as you'll hear. 5:35 The detectives explained to Paul that they had come to tie up a few loose ends. 5:40 They wanted to gather some outstanding evidence for their case against Adam. 5:45 And by the way, you'll hear some background music playing in the store. 5:49 Okay. 5:49 Do you have any messages on your phone still? 5:51 Unfortunately, I deleted them. 5:53 Do you have any calls or anything like that? 5:55 Well, so what I've done, I've sent them all to ***. 5:58 Okay. 5:58 So, I unfortunately know I haven't saved everything because he's been the one 6:03 he's kind of taken over. 6:04 You have even, like, one call on her left over silver. 6:08 Hey, honest to God, I don't. 6:10 And I feel bad. 6:11 I was. 6:12 It was a game of pretend for both the detectives 6:15 and for Paul. 6:17 So Paul shifted the subject. 6:19 He wanted to know why the authorities had shown up 6:22 to his workplace unannounced. 6:24 I was just uncomfortable because I was like, you know, 6:27 it makes me, like, look bad at work. 6:29 Like, I was just like. 6:29 Oh, no. 6:30 We told him you're not in trouble or anything. 6:31 We just said, yeah, you're a good dad. 6:33 I always like assume like I think when you see police like you're just like oh my god what happened? 6:37 I even get nervous if I get pulled over so I get it and I am a cop so I get it. 6:41 Yeah. 6:42 Detectives put Paul at ease but of course Paul had every reason to be nervous. 6:48 The cops knew exactly who they were talking to and they wanted to keep him talking. 6:54 Paul brought up Adam asking how much trouble he was in if he was facing felony charges. 7:00 And it's actually a felony. 7:01 Stopping is automatically a felony in Wisconsin. 7:04 Oh, good. 7:05 I'm not complaining. 7:07 Detective George redirected the conversation. 7:10 She wanted to know, how was Paul connected to Carl 7:14 and the harassment? 7:15 Like, how did you get drawn into this? 7:17 Are you really close to Paul or like how? 7:19 We are really close friends. 7:21 I've known Paul for, well, about 10 years. 7:24 So, but we've never actually dated or anything like that. 7:27 We've just been, we've like explored the idea, 7:30 but it's never actually like turned into that. 7:33 Detective Mauro started pressing Paul a little bit further. 7:37 So you guys are best friends, right? 7:39 Are you guys like really close best friends then, 7:42 I'm assuming? 7:42 Yeah. 7:43 So you guys share everything 7:44 and hang out all the time and all that? 7:46 Of course, yeah, super often. 7:48 I'm seeing him probably over the weekend, you know? 7:50 Just like for the Packer game or something. 7:52 Right. 7:52 Yeah. 7:53 It's always been pretty traumatized by these. 7:55 I'm scared. 7:56 Me too. 8:00 Paul did his best to regain control and turn the focus back to Adam. 8:04 Now that he's been arrested, have you guys even searched his phone? 8:08 We're working on that. 8:09 So no one else uses your phone where they could have gone in and used your information? 8:14 Have you ever lost your phone? 8:16 I guess you always have your phone with you. 8:18 I've lost it before, yes. 8:20 And how long has your phone lost? 8:22 When I say lost, I mean misplaced. 8:24 Yeah, for like maybe what, an hour or two? 8:27 Oh, right. 8:28 We've been asking everybody this, 8:29 have you ever downloaded like any type of 8:31 smoothing apps or anything like that? 8:33 We tested out one just to see like, 8:36 just because we were curious what I'm doing, 8:39 but like, I mean, I just deleted it right away. 8:42 Do you remember the name of that one? 8:43 To be honest, no. 8:44 So I wrote search warrants to a couple 8:46 of different spoof companies. 8:48 Okay. 8:48 And one of the apps showed that you had an account. 8:51 Okay. 8:52 Do you remember that? 8:52 Well, like I said, I we did download one just to like test it out because I've been leery about you know 8:58 It's like my phone has been hacked so unless he was able to download another one that I'm unaware of 9:04 Yeah, I don't have much for you. Okay 9:08 So the issue is that yeah some of these messages that are being sent 9:14 We're coming from your phone 9:16 Well, that's weird. Okay 9:19 I'm unaware of that. I mean 9:21 and what am I supposed to say? 9:23 Yeah, that's what we're trying to figure out. 9:25 Detective George asked Paul 9:27 if he'd be willing to sign a form, 9:29 allowing them to do a forensic download of his phone. 9:32 Do I have to agree to that? 9:34 I have to, no, it would just make it a lot easier. 9:37 I don't really feel comfortable 9:38 with that this is really intense. 9:40 And if he actually did have the ability 9:42 to spy on our phone, he's been able to do that, okay? 9:46 I don't know if he's hacked on both of our phones. 9:51 You know, he very well could have put a lot of stuff 9:53 on whether it's my phone, phone or phone. 9:58 Paul was clearly uncomfortable. 10:00 The detectives told him they needed to search his phone. 10:04 They said it could help in the case against Adam. 10:06 It would help us out in the long run too, 10:08 especially with charging him further with everything. 10:11 It would, okay. 10:13 If Paul didn't have anything to hide, 10:15 giving over his phone shouldn't be a problem. 10:18 Can I think it over before I like sign something? 10:22 We'll just need an answer probably by the end of our conversation today. 10:26 If I sign that and then so it would actually be good if you did find something because then 10:32 worst case like if I don't sign that would he not even get in trouble or I don't really know. 10:39 It's legal for detectives to lie to suspects and that's what detective Maro did. 10:44 He told Paul that yes, if he consented to the search of his phone, 10:49 that evidence could help keep Adam in prison. 10:52 It'll be just easier for the judge to be like, yeah, this is concrete. 10:56 He's staying. 10:57 But Paul still didn't want to give up his phone. 11:01 He reminded detectives about other evidence they already had against Adam. 11:06 He'd like to, he broke the no contact order from what I remember. 11:09 And then you even heard his voice on the fake report that he made about the thing with beating up the dogs or whatever. 11:18 Yeah, I heard it. 11:19 So like, isn't that alone, you know, regardless of extra things, enough to charge him with whatever? 11:27 If he's got a good lawyer, you never know. 11:29 Would I be able to see one more thing on your phone? 11:32 What do you need? 11:33 Just your IP address? 11:53 When it was clear Paul wasn't going to cooperate, detectives gave up the act. 12:02 Detective George looked him straight in the eye, and for the first time, told him why they were really there. 12:08 So we are going to be seizing this phone's evidence? 12:11 What do you mean by that? 12:12 We are seizing it, and you're taking it with us, this evidence? 12:15 So I can't have my dip by any means? 12:17 No. 12:17 So we are going to be writing a search warrant for it? 12:20 Okay. 12:22 Because we know what's going on. 12:24 Do you? 12:25 In terms of? 12:25 like, why are you so nervous and what's on that phone 12:29 that you think we know about 12:30 that you don't want us knowing about? 12:32 What do you mean like? 12:34 You know what I mean, dude. 12:35 I don't mean to be rude, but we just told you 12:39 that your phone number is being associated 12:41 with a spoof thing and it's a little bit more 12:43 than just one time doing it. 12:46 Detective Moro was getting frustrated. 12:48 He told us he'd come there, 12:51 half expecting Paul to confess. 12:53 When you first meet Paul, that was my first time seeing him, I'm like, there's no way 12:58 this guy isn't going to crack. 12:59 He looks like someone that, you tell him we got everything, he's going to be like, 13:03 ah, shit, I'm caught. 13:05 But that just wasn't the case. 13:07 And I was actually kind of pissed off that I didn't get consent that day. 13:11 Despite Paul's protests, detectives took his phone into evidence. 13:16 Before we leave, we're going to give you one last opportunity to tell us anything 13:19 you want to tell us. 13:20 I mean like so you're gonna look through regardless of whether or not something's been deleted 13:26 or what not, like what are you exactly? 13:30 We're gonna find whatever's on your phone. 13:32 Okay. 13:33 Like, if you're so convinced that it's me, then how come you f***ing was even arrested 13:40 in the first place for this? 13:43 Adam's name is redacted, but what Paul wanted to know was, why did you even arrest 13:49 Adam if you think it's me." That's when Detective George finally told Paul the news that Adam had 13:56 been released. For a year, Paul had been the puppet master. He'd manipulated Carl, Drew, Adam. 14:12 He'd even manipulated investigators. But now, he was no longer pulling the strings. 14:20 Detective Morrow gave Paul one last opportunity to give consent for his phone to be searched 14:25 without a warrant. 14:27 What's the difference, even? 14:29 The warrant is longer. 14:32 Yeah. 14:32 So basically it just drags the whole thing out. 14:35 Yeah. 14:36 Then, for once, Paul said something that was the complete truth. 14:41 Well, I'm gonna drag it out. 14:43 And that's exactly what he did. 14:45 I'm Melissa Jeltson and in 15:05 my new podcast, What Happened to Her, I'm bringing you new 15:08 stories and conversations every week. 15:11 Stories about women whose deaths were too quickly ruled as suicide. 15:15 She was starting to get worried and get scared for her safety. 15:22 Stories of survival. 15:23 The only difference between me and her, frankly, was a little bit of luck because 15:28 by all rights, I should be dead. 15:30 cases that everyone else called closed. 15:33 They can't convict her, right? 15:34 Like, she has so much evidence. 15:37 These stories all start in the same place, 15:39 with a woman failed by a system that didn't believe her, 15:43 that didn't protect her, that didn't see her. 15:46 No child should ever experience that. 15:48 And we were babies. 15:49 She did all of these brave things 15:51 and came out and spoke about it and he got a year. 15:55 Never know who that devil is 15:57 because he's wearing the skies. 15:59 Sometimes it's a police uniform. 16:01 Listen to what happened to her on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your 16:07 podcasts. 16:08 If there's a million times more digital intelligence than there is biological intelligence, it's 16:13 hard to imagine humans being in control in that scenario. 16:15 I'm Walter Isaacson, host of the new podcast, The Builders. 16:19 Right now, we're living through an AI arms race. 16:23 So I went directly to the people shaping that future. 16:26 Elon Musk, Dario Amade, Alex Karp, Fei-Fei Li, Palmer Lucky, because I wanted to understand 16:33 what the most consequential builders believe, what they feel, and where they think this 16:39 is all headed. 16:40 Silicon Valley is always saying the cliche thing about the way to predict the future 16:46 is to create it. 16:47 Well, yeah, it's up to us. 16:50 But when you say us, who's us? 16:52 Is it 400 people that you know in Silicon Valley? 16:55 Is it me down here in New Orleans? 16:57 They're brilliant, controversial, 16:59 and they're already shaping the future. 17:01 The question is, whose imagination do we want to live in? 17:05 This is going to determine the fate of nations and economies 17:09 and the future of humanity. 17:10 Listen to the builders on the iHeart Radio App, 17:14 Apple Podcast, or ever get your podcasts. 17:21 My name is Josie Duffy-Rice. 17:23 I'm a journalist who covers the criminal legal system. 17:26 And over my career, I've heard account after account 17:29 of prosecutorial misconduct, story after story of injustice. 17:34 But I've never heard a story quite like this. 17:38 The more I kept reading that stuff, I thought, 17:40 man, there's more red flags that just kept coming up over and over. 17:46 We'll hypnotize him to strengthen that memory, 17:51 so he went into a good France. 17:55 I really didn't believe any of it was real, 17:57 And I was like, well, they're going to figure out this is not me. 18:00 They're going to do their police job. 18:02 Listen to examined the backfire effect on the iHeart Radio app, 18:07 Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 18:11 They shared the same name, the same home, the same DNA, the same blood. 18:18 But behind closed doors, blood isn't always thicker than water, 18:22 and family loyalty can turn deadly. 18:25 From shocking betrayals to carefully planned murders, 18:28 The BlackFX New Original Podcast series, Bloodline Crimes, hosted by me, Morgan Wood, explores 18:35 the darkest and bizarre cases where family became the most dangerous threat of all. 18:41 Because sometimes the person you should fear most is not a stranger, but rather someone 18:47 sitting at the dinner table with you. 18:50 Real cases. 18:52 Real families. 18:53 Real killers. 19:09 On the morning of January 19th, while detectives were questioning Paul at his job, Carl got 19:21 a call. 19:22 The Kenosha Sheriff's Department wanted to see him and his boyfriend Drew. 19:28 It's delicate work telling a victim of a crime that their theory of the case is 19:33 wrong and that the real perpetrator is their closest friend. That would need to 19:38 be an in-person conversation. When Carl and Drew got to the station, 19:44 Deputy Roars greeted them. 19:54 What was the point in bringing 19:56 bringing in Carl and Drew for an interview and then separating them. 20:01 That's standard course in any investigation. People, whether they know it or not, kind 20:06 of feed off of each other, but it's also just trying to make sure that all of our bases 20:11 are covered and trying to connect the dots of like, did one of them possibly know about 20:16 this? 20:20 The sheriff's department had already arrested the wrong guy, and they weren't about 20:25 make the same mistake twice. Before they could arrest Paul and say that he was the sole mastermind, 20:31 they had to rule out all other possibilities. 20:44 Deputy Roars walked down a hallway. 20:48 Carl was led to a small lounge and asked to wait. As the minutes ticked by, he grew anxious. 20:55 What was taking so long? 20:57 It was probably for about a good half hour. 21:00 I was by myself and I'm like, okay, so what's really happening? 21:04 And then eventually the door opens up, Drew walks in, 21:10 we switch places and Drew has a look on his face. 21:13 He's very red. 21:15 That is not a face I've seen on him before. 21:18 And I thought, oh my God, something bad is happening. 21:22 Carl followed Deputy Roars to a conference room with grey walls and a small oval table. 21:31 Another detective was there to assist. 21:34 Immediately, Deputy Roars dropped the act. 21:47 He was referring to the search warrant of Adam's home. 21:50 home. Despite going through Adam's electronics, they couldn't find anything to prove he was 21:56 behind the harassment. The deputy also brought up Adam's interrogation and how firm Adam 22:03 was in his innocence. 22:05 He was extremely cooperative. Extremely cooperative. He let us go through his phone, he let 22:11 us go through his computer, we took both of those things. I mean, we've scoured everything. 22:16 last night detective George got one of her search words back from the spoofing 22:22 companies after reading these messages they sound like they come from 22:26 somebody who intimately knows your life yeah can you think of anybody who would 22:30 know this much detail that probably isn't Adam I'm really curious why not 22:38 just tell Carl straight up it was Paul just human nature we only see what we 22:44 want to see. They believe that Paul was their friend, and especially with Paul 22:48 spamming himself so that he could look like a victim too. I don't think that 22:52 they could comprehend how it could have been Paul. So I think we were trying to 22:57 get them to get to that conclusion themselves." For nearly a year, Carl 23:04 had clung to the fact that Adam was the perpetrator. He'd spent months 23:08 convincing authorities of the same. Authorities couldn't just come 23:12 right out and tell Carl he'd been wrong and that the real perpetrator was his best friend 23:18 of all people. He'd never believed them. 23:22 Can you think of anybody who would have this intimate detail that would know this stuff? 23:28 Carl tried to think. It couldn't be his mom or his sister. It couldn't be Drew. And 23:35 in his mind, it couldn't be Paul either. 23:38 He does not have a malicious bone in his body and he's not tech savvy at all. 23:43 There is nothing that had gone on in the friendship, the course of my friendship that I have had 23:48 with Paul Wood. 23:49 Like there would be any sort of motive that he is trying to break up me in Drew or he's 23:56 trying to get some sort of revenge on me. 23:59 Carl reminded detectives why Adam was the only logical perpetrator because the harassing 24:06 the text he received referenced very specific moments 24:09 from their relationship. 24:12 The text messages that I have received 24:14 were all based on my relationship with him. 24:17 Stuff about like a visit to White Castle 24:18 when we were dating. 24:20 There were so many more examples. 24:22 Details only Adam would know. 24:25 The guilt Carl felt for not calling in Uber 24:27 the night of Adam's DUI. 24:29 The Valentine's Day card Adam sent from prison. 24:32 in. The baseball cap Adam took when they broke up. Only Carl had told someone else. He just 24:42 didn't remember. That's how much he trusted Paul, how enmeshed Paul was in his life. 24:50 Detectives realized Carl wasn't going to come to this conclusion on his own, so they 24:56 had to ask him directly. Had he ever noticed Paul Augustine acting strangely? Carl was 25:04 taken aback. He racked his brain. As he replayed the last year in his memory, one or two moments 25:10 with Paul stood out, like how Paul handled the text he was getting. 25:15 He was getting a death threat. Someone's not going to make it out of this alive, 25:21 and if you're stupid and show him this message, it just might be you. 25:27 I'm sitting here talking on the phone with him for 45 minutes, and I'm like, dude, 25:31 you have to file a police report. You are getting a death threat from this text message, 25:36 but instead he's crying to me about how it makes him feel and how he just wanted to 25:41 to make sure that like we all feel safe and supported. 25:44 Are there any other instances like that? 25:46 There was another time where the three of us 25:50 had met with you to sign off on those statements. 25:53 These were incident reports filed 25:55 in the early days of the harassment. 25:58 And I was like, you need to sign this, you know, 26:01 because if you don't sign this, this, this, 26:03 I'm afraid that this won't lend as much credibility 26:06 to what's like this ongoing investigation. 26:09 But Paul resisted. He didn't feel comfortable getting involved with the cops. 26:15 It was just a little frustrating, though, because it felt like we had come this far, 26:20 an investigation was happening, signed the paperwork, get the thing going, 26:24 and he was kind of dragging his feet. 26:27 Still, Carl couldn't see Paul as being the perpetrator here. 26:31 I've known him for 10 years. I'm pretty good at reading him. 26:34 Like, I know when, like, he's B.S.'ing. 26:38 Carl would have to see the evidence himself to believe it. 26:42 The deputy took a deep breath 26:43 and slid a piece of paper across the table to Carl. 26:47 It was the report from the spoofing company. 26:50 So, this company, it's called Spoof Card, 26:54 and it's like, it's an app that you can get on your phone. 26:57 Yeah. 26:57 And so basically, you have to put in a phone number to verify you, 27:02 and the phone number has to be a legitimate phone number. 27:06 Would it surprise you to know that those are registered? 27:10 The redacted name was Paul's. 27:13 Would Carl be surprised to know 27:15 that the spoofing app could be traced back to Paul? 27:18 Yeah, yeah, absolutely 100%. 27:22 The deputies pointed at the piece of paper 27:24 in front of Carl. 27:26 All the spoof texts and calls. 27:30 Sent. 27:30 All of these. 27:34 Every text, every spoof call, every threat, the tow trucks, the extortion, the nude photos, 27:42 the police rushing to his home. 27:45 It was all tied to one person, Paul Augustine. 27:51 Hearing the news, Carl just stared at the cops. 27:55 And he bit his lip, saying nothing. 27:58 I asked Carl to take me back to that moment. 28:01 I'm sitting there in the room like completely dumbfounded. 28:05 My stomach hit the floor, Paul did it. 28:12 He used the information he knew about my relationship with Adam and used all that against me. 28:18 I mean, it was like just the weight. 28:23 Everything is crashing down. 28:26 Carl left the station, withdrew at his side. 28:30 The two of them walked through the parking lot in a daze. 28:33 It didn't really hit me until we got to our cars. 28:38 We both gave each other a hug and we were just like, 28:41 oh my God, I can't believe this. 28:43 Carl drove home feeling numb. 28:46 That's when he got a notification, a message from Paul. 28:50 Detectives had just stopped in to question Paul at work 28:53 and they'd taken his phone into evidence. 28:56 He messaged me on Facebook and was like, 28:58 I'm just so shocked by everything 29:00 that's happening right now. 29:03 And I can't believe all these things 29:05 that I'm being accused of, 29:07 but I just want you to know that I'm not a stalker 29:10 and I never have been or I ever will be. 29:13 And that's just not me. 29:15 Carl ignored the message. 29:17 He was in shock, trying to process everything 29:20 he'd just learned. 29:21 The concrete evidence he'd seen, tying his best friend to the crimes. 29:27 But Paul was desperate to get a hold of him. 29:29 To convince Carl, this was all just one big misunderstanding. 29:33 In Paul's frenzy attempt to reach him, 29:36 Paul enlisted the one person who would always support him. 29:41 His mother. 29:43 We don't know what Paul told her about the police investigation, 29:46 but based on the voicemail she left Carl, it probably wasn't the truth. 29:51 I will not contact you any further after leaving this message. 29:57 I am with Paul. 29:58 He is completely traumatized. 30:00 He was interrogated by Kenosha Police Department this morning. 30:04 They seized his phone and are accusing him of being a part of your harassment. 30:10 We are in a world of panic and this belief that this has come to this now where Paul 30:17 is being accused of this stuff. 30:19 I'm looking for clarity, Paul's looking for clarity in what is going on. 30:43 I'm Melissa Jeltson and in my new podcast, What Happened to Her, I'm bringing you new 30:48 stories and conversations every week. 30:51 Stories about women whose deaths were too quickly ruled a suicide. 30:56 She was starting to get worried and get scared for her safety. 31:02 Stories of survival. 31:03 The only difference between me and her, frankly, was a little bit of luck, because by all rights I should be dead. 31:11 Cases that everyone else called closed. 31:13 They can't convict her, right? Like, she has so much evidence. 31:17 These stories all start in the same place, with a woman failed by a system that didn't believe her, that didn't protect her, that didn't see her. 31:26 No child should ever experience that. And we were babies. 31:29 She did all of these brave things and came out and spoke about it and he got a year. 31:36 I never know who that devil is because he's wearing a disguise. 31:39 Sometimes it's a police uniform. 31:42 Listen to what happened to her on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 31:47 get your podcasts. 31:48 If there's a million times more digital intelligence than there is biological intelligence, it's 31:53 hard to imagine humans being in control in that scenario. 31:55 I'm Walter Isaacson, host of the new podcast, The Builders. 32:00 Right now, we're living through an AI arms race, so I went directly to the people shaping 32:06 that future. 32:07 Elon Musk, Dario Amade, Alex Karp, Fei-Fei Li, Palmer Lucky, because I wanted to understand 32:14 what the most consequential builders believe, what they feel, and where they think this 32:20 is all headed. 32:20 Silicon Valley is always saying the cliché thing about the way to predict the future is to create it. 32:28 Well, yeah, it's up to us. 32:30 But when you say us, who's us? 32:33 Is it 400 people that you know in Silicon Valley? 32:36 Is it me down here in New Orleans? 32:38 They're brilliant, controversial, and they're already shaping the future. 32:42 The question is, whose imagination do we want to live in? 32:46 This is going to determine the fate of nations and economies and the future of humanity. 32:51 Listen to the builders on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcast, or ever get your podcasts. 33:02 My name is Josie Duffy-Rice. I'm a journalist who covers the criminal legal system. 33:07 And over my career, I've heard account after account of prosecutorial misconduct, story after story of injustice. 33:14 But I've never heard a story quite like this. 33:18 The more I kept reading that stuff, I thought, man, there's more red flags that just kept 33:23 coming up over and over. 33:27 We'll hypnotize him to strengthen that memory, so he went into a good trance. 33:36 I really didn't believe any of it was real, and I was like, well, they're going to figure 33:39 out this is not me. 33:40 They're going to do their police job. 33:42 Listen to examined the backfire effect on the I heart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts 33:52 They shared the same name the same home the same 33:56 DNA the same blood but behind closed doors blood isn't always thicker than water and family loyalty can turn 34:05 Deadly from shocking betrayals to carefully planned murders the black effects new original podcast series 34:11 Bloodline Crimes, hosted by me, Morgan Wood, 34:15 explores the darkest and bizarre cases 34:17 where family became the most dangerous threat of all. 34:21 Because sometimes the person you should fear most 34:24 is not a stranger, but rather someone sitting 34:28 at the dinner table with you. 34:31 Real cases, real families, real killers. 34:35 This is Bloodline Crimes. 34:38 Listen to the Black Effect's bloodline crimes every Thursday, starting October 8th from the 34:43 Black Effect podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your 34:49 podcast. 34:55 Paul denied any involvement in harassing and tormenting Carl. 35:00 But after seizing his phone, detectives had access to Paul's search history. 35:05 Paul's Google searches read like a blueprint for the last year of chaos. 35:10 You're just some of his searches read by a voice actor. 35:14 How can I send a text message and make it look like it came from someone else's phone number? 35:19 Towing services that don't require you to be there. 35:22 How to get revenge on someone without them knowing online. 35:27 Ways you can fuck with someone without police. 35:30 What are the chances of being caught spoofing? 35:34 Then there were the searches that targeted Drew. 35:37 Paul conducted numerous searches for QuickTrip, the convenience store where Drew worked. 35:43 He also searched, 35:44 What will get you fired from QuickTrip? 35:47 You may recall, someone called the manager at the QuickTrip and complained that Drew 35:52 had been behaving inappropriately with a miner, which wasn't true. 35:57 Paul's search history connected the dots. 36:00 How would someone frame someone for harassing a miner? 36:06 A list of kids at Bradford High School There were also clues into how Paul tried to 36:12 frame Adam. 36:13 Best ways to get someone arrested, how to set someone up to go to jail, how to set someone 36:19 up for a crime.
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