The Forensic Scientist Who Investigated 160 Murders & Lost Himself in the Process: Ruben Miller

Ruben Miller spent 22 years as a forensic scientist in New Zealand, working on more than 160 homicide investigations. This is the story of what it cost him.

In this episode we talk about what it actually feels like to walk into a homicide scene, the forensic principle that guides every investigation, the case that still hasn't left him, and what two decades of witnessing violence quietly does to a person.

We also get into PTSD, therapy, what resilience actually means versus what we tell ourselves it means, and how Ruben found compassion for people most of us would write off entirely.

Ruben's book The Blood Says Otherwise is out now at all good bookstores and online.

Steve and Seamus are proud to be dressed by our friends at Barkers Clothing.

⚠️ This episode contains discussion of homicide, child death, trauma, and PTSD. Please take care.

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