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I love that. 2:12 She's wearing a brat skirt today. 2:14 I am, yes, yes. 2:15 Does it get any cooler than that? 2:16 No. 2:17 Does it get any midlife crisis than that? 2:20 You're not there yet, babe. 2:21 No way. 2:22 You're not there yet. 2:23 I don't know. 2:23 The writing's on the wall. 2:25 A brat skirt for no good reason, yes. 2:27 The cutest midlife crisis ever. 2:29 I was good as far as I'm concerned. 2:30 Lean in. 2:31 I'll take it. 2:32 Right. 2:32 Maybe the aesthetics of a midlife crisis are actually... 2:35 We're at some point. 2:36 Yeah. 2:37 I think so. 2:37 There's something there. 2:38 I keep seeing this thing that is like the older I get, 2:40 at the more I just like turn into my like 10 year old self 2:42 again or like somebody my 10 year old self 2:44 would have been obsessed with. 2:45 Yeah. 2:46 That actually is true. 2:47 Yeah. 2:48 I fully agree with that. 2:48 As I've been doing this tour in the midst of this right now, 2:51 obviously I have like a lot of sequiny things, 2:53 which is also like what I've been sourcing on Depop, 2:56 on Poshmark, so I'm in this like sequin state of mind, 2:59 which also means that like for just regular getting 3:02 together with someone for coffee, 3:03 I'm now wearing like a sequin mini dress. 3:05 I love that. 3:06 And like I realize as I'm only as I'm coming in 3:08 that I'm like, oh, it's giving meantie B. 3:11 No. 3:12 No, it's giving she is that thing. 3:14 Exactly, that's exactly what it's giving. 3:16 It's giving 11 AM. 3:17 Here's the thing, the world is burning, 3:19 so we should all get our sequins out 3:21 and wear them when we can. 3:22 Everybody's too judgy anyways. 3:24 So everybody wear what they want to wear 3:25 and be who they want to be. 3:26 That's it. 3:27 And you do that too. 3:28 Wear your sequins. 3:29 Where the fuck you want to wear? 3:30 You at home too. 3:31 You guys have a place of 3:32 wear your fucking leggings every single day. 3:34 Yeah. 3:35 And whatever you want. 3:36 Who cares? 3:37 Don't save things. 3:37 I think I'm gonna wear sequins to your show now. 3:40 Yeah, I mean, sequins, it turns out they really do look 3:43 lovely under, in the light. 3:45 Oh, the lights, yeah. 3:46 The twinkle is just like, and that's the 10-year-old in me 3:49 where I'm like, that's really sparkling. 3:50 Oh, yeah. 3:51 Wow. 3:52 That girl is so sparkly. 3:54 And I can't keep my eyes off of it. 3:57 No, you can't. 3:58 If it sparkles, I'm looking. 4:00 I love it. 4:01 That's it. 4:01 I love it. 4:02 Can't resist. 4:03 You have Gemini in your chart, don't you? 4:05 I have Gemini at my fifth house is Gemini. 4:08 So like my creative spark is Gemini coded. 4:12 And I do feel that very much where like I feel, 4:15 I mean, I feel like especially at this moment in my life, 4:17 like I'm very deep in the whimsy. 4:20 I really locked in in fun whimsy frivolity, 4:24 despite, you know, the collapse 4:25 of Western civilization and I'm out there in sequence. 4:30 No, you got to lean in here. 4:33 I'm showing it to the end of the world whimsically. 4:36 That's what I'm doing. 4:37 If there's ever a time, bring in the whimsy with me. 4:40 I think it's- 4:41 We need it. 4:41 It's what we have to do. 4:42 We need more whimsies. 4:43 Our calling. 4:44 We need to romanticize things, whimsical. 4:47 Yeah, maybe it's where we lost the plot. 4:48 I think it is. 4:49 Bring whimsy back. 4:51 Bring whimsy back. 4:52 Yeah. 4:54 Bring fun and frivolity. 4:55 Bring fringe back for the life of God. 4:58 I love fringe. 4:59 Bring it all back. 5:00 Bring it on back. 5:00 Some texture, some movement. 5:02 Yeah. 5:02 A little sparkle, a little glisten, 5:04 a little glitter. 5:05 Just be a breath stall. 5:05 Everyone just stopped caring. 5:07 Yeah. 5:07 We stopped caring. 5:08 Yes. 5:09 I did a while ago. 5:11 It's great. 5:11 Yeah. 5:12 It's an interesting time to be alive. 5:14 Sure is. 5:14 To stay the least. 5:16 I mean, even in the, this is our third year doing this, every October spooky season. 5:21 And I do feel like even in the past couple of years, it's like so much has had 5:26 to change. 5:27 So much has changed. 5:28 Yeah, it's crazy. 5:29 I can't believe this is our third year. 5:30 I love that this is our little tradition. 5:32 I know, I love that. 5:33 I know, it's really the best. 5:33 Yeah, it's so fun. 5:35 We started with the witch trials, right? 5:37 Yes. 5:37 Then we went to Jack the Ripper last year, 5:39 and this year we're taking it to a place 5:40 of the Aksmen of New Orleans. 5:43 And I told you both that I found out 5:45 that I'm related to the one Corey Giles. 5:49 That is the coolest claim in history. 5:54 The more weight. 5:56 It's like to be religious. 5:57 Just the one who cursed Salem. 5:59 Yeah, yeah. 5:59 And the first time that I went to Salem 6:01 is when I, two years ago, when we did the show, 6:03 and I went there and I was like, oh, I am so locked in. 6:07 I was like, I feel so alive. 6:09 And that's why. 6:10 Did you already know at that point? 6:11 No, I just found out, like, within the past year. 6:13 Okay, that's so crazy. 6:15 So it's really crazy. 6:17 I mean, especially like the only guy, 6:19 and then the guy who is like the one 6:20 who put that curse on it, 6:22 which is the curse that came true 6:23 because now every year, which is, 6:25 Descend on Salem. 6:27 Yeah. 6:28 And the Puritans are all like flipping in their grave. 6:31 And they had to move to the sheriff's office 6:33 away from the original location. 6:35 Because they were all dying. 6:36 Or they were all having like heart related issues. 6:39 Yeah. 6:39 I think there was like only like one or two 6:41 that didn't actually die from problems. 6:43 Wow. 6:44 It's fascinating. 6:45 We're gonna visit it soon actually. 6:47 Yeah. 6:47 The witch trials. 6:48 It's so good. 6:48 We have to go back. 6:49 It's the gift that keeps on giving. 6:50 It is. 6:51 Yeah. 6:51 And it's like an important, 6:52 it's like a cautionary tale. 6:53 Yeah, it's a tale of especially now. 6:56 I feel like it's very relevant now. Absolutely. 7:00 I feel like puritans have risen back up. 7:03 Like we've got a puritanical group that has risen up. 7:06 It's like Fear Street. They're coming back. 7:08 They really are scary. It is scary. 7:10 Yeah. And it's like, you know, this this trying to turn these like hot 7:14 goths into trad wives over and over. 7:16 It's like nobody needs it. Don't do that. Don't do it. 7:19 Like stop it. Stop it. 7:20 We don't need another trad wife. No. No. 7:23 And also like Tradwifes, the OG Tradwifes 7:26 did not want to be Tradwifes. 7:27 No. 7:28 So why are we embracing this? 7:29 That's the thing, they were not choosing it. 7:31 They're all like, fuck you, bitches. 7:32 I didn't want to gather those eggs. 7:34 Yeah. 7:35 I wanted to be on vacation. 7:37 Yeah. 7:37 Yes, no, I think that it's, I feel like every, 7:41 it's like a tale that needs to be told 7:42 so that we can keep it fresh in the frontal lobe 7:45 of the collective consciousness. 7:47 Exactly. 7:47 Of like, you see? 7:48 You see what happens? 7:49 You see what can happen? 7:50 Don't let it happen again. 7:52 No. 7:52 at least don't let history repeat itself. 7:54 But you were saying it kind of seems like history 7:56 repeated itself a little bit with the Axeman case 7:59 and there's correlations between the last time 8:02 you were here talking about Jack the Ripper. 8:04 Oh my gosh, yeah. 8:05 I mean, it's really interesting 8:06 because the more that we look at 8:08 from an astrological point of view, 8:11 the more patterns start to emerge as well. 8:14 And it's like very fascinating to see like, 8:17 well, what are the correlations between these things? 8:20 And I remember when we were talking about 8:21 the Salem trials. A lot of the astrology was astrology that was about to happen. Yeah. So a 8:27 lot of the astrology of then it was kind of like, oh, and watch out because we haven't had that since 8:31 then. Right. And we've been in it. So no wonder it is also like we're dealing with similar things. 8:37 And I've been thinking about the Jack the Ripper so much because there was that Neptune 8:41 Pluto conjunction, super, super rare. We haven't had it since. And that sort of like the 8:47 it's spooky mystery around death and what does it mean? 8:53 And how do we sort of like fictionalize 8:55 this very real thing that has happened 8:56 and almost like turn it into a fantasy of a lore? 9:00 And there's similar things in Axman too. 9:02 That makes so much more interesting. 9:04 Because there are key points. 9:06 So really quickly, just to give you guys 9:07 like a quick overview before we dive into 9:09 the astrology of the time, 9:11 the Axman of New Orleans started around like May 1918 9:14 and it ended in October of 1919. 9:16 But it was absolutely brutal. 9:19 Yeah, it was consistent. 9:21 It was super consistent. 9:22 I think it was literally at one point almost a kill a month. 9:25 Yeah. 9:25 Yeah. 9:26 And also at the same time during the killings in the fall of 1918, 9:30 there was a 12 week stretch within everything where New Orleans was also 9:35 the epicenter for the Spanish influenza. 9:37 So shit was just hopping off in New Orleans. 9:42 And actually the city had a very high death rate 9:44 in another round of flu that hit the fall of 1919. 9:48 And that is when the X-Men hung up his axe. 9:51 So some people wondered, did he get out of there 9:53 because he knew the flu was coming? 9:55 Or did the flu go after him and he died of the flu? 9:59 Yeah, maybe. 10:00 But total, there were- 10:01 He's in people's houses. 10:02 Yeah. 10:04 He's not quarantining, so I don't think he's wearing 10:08 a mask in my family. 10:09 Hey, that's more than six feet. 10:10 Yeah, I don't think he was wearing a mask either. 10:12 He's high risk. 10:13 But there were 12 total attacks, six confirmed deaths. 10:17 It was brutal. 10:19 These were brutal attacks. 10:20 People like bed, children, a lot of women. 10:25 It seemed like he only... 10:26 There's a theory that he only killed men 10:29 when they were in the way of him killing a woman. 10:31 And they were Italian-Americans for the most part. 10:33 Yeah, and a lot of grocers, which I find interesting. 10:36 Yeah, there's a lot here to work with for sure. 10:40 Yeah, when I was going into it and going deep in, you know, 10:44 like really loving, laughing, loving, 35 charts here or something. 10:50 To me, it was like, why don't more people know about this case? 10:55 It's so Jack the Ripper coded. 10:58 But it was, I do believe because there was a pandemic going on. 11:03 And in the same way, like, you know, now that we have lived through it, 11:07 but we know that in those 2020, 2021 years, 11:10 there were a lot of things that kind of just like got, 11:13 didn't get as much attention as they would have. 11:16 They got absorbed. 11:17 It's like, we know how the news cycle works 11:19 and it was the same going on then. 11:21 It's like, obviously there's something brutal 11:22 that's happening. 11:23 That's really scary, but it's also really scary 11:25 that everyone is getting sick around you 11:28 and that everyone now needs to like go back 11:30 into their homes and that all of these businesses 11:32 are shutting down and you know, 11:34 there's businesses that are going out 11:36 and like the whole city is not able to sustain itself. 11:39 And yeah, it's horrible that there's someone coming 11:41 into our house is killing us. 11:42 But like, it's one of a lot of things. 11:44 We're also dealing with this. 11:45 Yes. 11:45 And I wonder if like that, the sort of the timing of it 11:49 made this case sort of more, 11:52 it just didn't get the same type of attention 11:55 that Jack the Ripper did in its time and place. 11:58 Yeah, I think that was overshadowed completely, right? 12:00 Because I think before, like when we first covered it, 12:03 it was 2018. 12:04 It was pre-pandemic. 12:05 And so it was pre-pandemic. 12:06 We were like, what's that? 12:07 We could look at it through a lens of just like, 12:09 wow, that sounds crazy. 12:10 Like that you had to like businesses were shutting down 12:13 and nobody could go to social gatherings 12:14 and like there was curfews and all this stuff. 12:17 And I remember reading it and being like, 12:18 that must have been crazy. 12:19 But you can only look at it from far away 12:22 and say, wow, that sounds like it was crazy. 12:24 So it just doesn't hit like it does now. 12:28 Living through a pandemic, we can sit there and go, 12:30 oh yeah, that makes total sense 12:31 that this didn't pop off. 12:33 Right the way it should have and because we know how that was now. We're like, oh that took over everything 12:38 Yeah, it's way worse than you could even conjure by just reading about it 12:42 Yeah, and people don't want to talk about it. No, right like we still don't want to talk about 12:47 Yeah, like we we don't really know how to talk about it still like 12:52 Yeah, and that was the same then like their people did not want to talk about 12:58 what had happened. 12:59 So things that were going on in that time 13:01 sort of just got swept up in like the, 13:04 hmm, we don't talk about that era. 13:06 Yeah, we don't talk about it. 13:07 It's so crazy. 13:09 And you also have to think too, 13:11 it was so different because there was no vaccines. 13:13 Yeah. 13:13 They were trying, but it wasn't there yet. 13:16 But it's not like today where it's like, 13:17 we got one right away, you know? 13:19 It was just like, you're screwed if you got this. 13:22 Yeah. 13:22 And I think there were like mask bites. 13:25 There were. 13:26 Like there is now, 13:27 We're like some people get mad about wearing it. 13:30 And it's so funny that like as humans, 13:32 we've always been this way. 13:33 It's so funny that as humans, we don't grow. 13:35 Yeah, we just don't grow. 13:37 Yeah, and we also don't grow where we won't, 13:39 where we don't look. 13:40 You know what I mean? 13:41 Yeah, exactly. 13:42 And like hush hush of time. 13:43 Yeah, yeah. 13:44 And it's like if we don't learn from it. 13:45 Yeah, if we are like don't want to deal with something, 13:47 then we're also not like, 13:48 it's not part of the collective language of it. 13:50 Language, shut it off. 13:51 Yeah, and like I remember during COVID, 13:55 people were like, this has never happened before. 13:57 I'm like, it actually did. 14:00 It's happened a lot before. 14:01 It happened not that long ago, 14:03 really in the grand scheme of things. 14:05 Absolutely. 14:06 Not to mention that obviously there was an epidemic 14:08 in the 80s with AIDS. 14:10 I'm like, that's really, really recent, 14:12 but no, there's just this smooth brain. 14:14 But if you want to shut it off. 14:15 Yeah, shut it off. 14:16 Yeah, smooth brain exactly. 14:17 It really is. 14:18 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 14:21 this has never, ever happened. 14:22 Are you sure? 14:25 Are you sure, guys? 14:26 No, no. 14:27 There are crazy parallels between what was going on then with the outbreak and our timing. 14:36 Really? 14:36 Yes. 14:37 Like in a way where I'm like, I can't believe that I didn't look at that years ago. 14:41 Really? 14:42 Yeah. 14:42 Like I'm pretty stunned that for some reason some of these correlations have passed 14:47 me by. 14:47 Maybe because I wasn't looking. 14:49 Exactly. 14:49 They don't want to deal, but looking at this, I'm like, 14:52 okay, I mean, not to bury the lead here. 14:55 So I'll just share the same day that the flu broke out 15:00 in 1918 was the day that the epidemic was declared here 15:05 in 2020, it was March 11th, March 11th, 15:09 1918, March 11th, 2020, same exact day. 15:13 That is spooky as hell. 15:16 That's weird, yes. 15:17 Any planetary alignments that were the same? 15:19 Yeah, I mean there were there were there obviously the Sun was in the same place. It was the same day 15:24 So watch out March 11th, you know, you know, which is insane 15:29 And I was looking at this and I was like did I get this did I plug that in wrong? 15:33 Like could it have actually been the same and I remember because that's my anniversary with Luke 15:37 So we were out while like it was like the world 15:41 Shut down it said it's an epidemic. It's a pandemic like we were getting the alerts during it over dinner 15:47 So I'll always remember that day, and when I saw this, I was like, did I like glitch out? 15:52 But you know, same. 15:54 And then, yeah, we have, you know, it's a lot of the same outer planets that are being activated. 15:59 That makes her wow. 16:00 So, yeah, it's an interesting thing and also interesting the fact that we have these earlier attacks 16:08 and the story because, you know, the ax man himself was never caught. 16:15 Right. 16:15 It's a cold case. 16:18 And there's these stories of attacks that had happened before 1918. 16:23 I also had to pull the charts for them, obviously. 16:25 Of course. 16:26 And it's a very interesting sort of, you know, what is the story? 16:31 Do we have a traveling man here? 16:33 Yes. 16:34 Do we have this sort of like, and this kind of comes in before the outbreak, 16:38 of course, changes. 16:40 Then back again during the outbreak. 16:43 So, yeah, the first chart that I have for this, 16:46 the first attack was on Harriet and August Crutie. 16:51 On August 13th, 1910, there's a lot of August attacks here. 16:56 Oh, interesting. 16:58 Both of these people end up surviving, 17:00 but we'll hear with a lot, remember nothing, 17:03 which happens, I guess, when your head's being bad. 17:06 Hit by a man, yeah, that'll happen. 17:07 But they owned a grocery store. 17:10 Harriet awoke to a man standing above her bed holding a meat cleaver. 17:15 So like a little different. Yeah, a little different, but maybe a proto-ass. 17:21 In this case, he did take money. 17:24 He also took a canary that was in a cage. 17:29 So ran out with the money in the canary, let the canary go a few blocks later, 17:34 but then left, you know, left some signature things, 17:38 left the meat cleaver, hopped the fence, 17:41 you know, had like lost the bloody clothes, 17:44 like things that we'll see earlier, 17:46 but this is not attributed to the Axemen. 17:49 Interesting. 17:50 There's similarities and there's differences. 17:52 Yeah. 17:52 He did always leave the axe, it seemed. 17:55 Yeah, he always left the weapons. 17:56 He would leave bloody clothes, 17:57 it seems like he would somehow change on the scene, 17:59 but he never really took valuables. 18:01 Yeah. 18:02 In New Orleans, it seems. 18:03 Yeah, in New Orleans, he does. 18:04 Yeah, so this is in New Orleans 18:05 and it's an interesting thing 18:07 because with these first few attacks, 18:11 it almost feels to me like there is a little trial and error 18:14 as to what this person wants to do. 18:17 You know, how do they, what is their style? 18:20 Like it's they're in their puberty era of attacking. 18:23 Or he thinks he needs to take something 18:25 to like to make it look a certain way. 18:27 But then he's like, that just adds time 18:28 or it's an extra thing I don't need to do 18:30 because that's not why I'm here. 18:31 To begin with. 18:32 Totally. 18:32 kind of thing. I wonder why he would switch from a meat cleaver to an axe because I almost feel like 18:37 maybe it's just like whatever's available. Yeah. I also think that we end up finding more success 18:43 with some weapons and others. Makes sense. So they stick with one more than the other one. 18:48 And inflict a lot more for sure. And I think he finds an axe at one of the 18:53 victims' houses. There's a few. A couple of them. So I think he just maybe 18:56 makes do available. Yeah. He's like, oh, I love an axe. Yeah. He's like, oh, I've done that before. 19:01 Or this, I'll grab that. 19:02 It calls to it. 19:05 When I was looking at the chart for this, 19:07 one of the first things that I noticed 19:08 was that we have a Neptune and Uranus opposition going on. 19:15 So this is another, this Uranus-Neptune opposition 19:17 is another one of these incredibly rare, 19:21 very, very unusual transits that happens. 19:24 It's something that occurs really very irregularly. 19:28 Because they're so slow moving. 19:29 So slow moving. 19:30 This is, we haven't had a Uranus Neptune opposition 19:34 since this time. 19:36 We also have a ton of planets that are at 22 degrees. 19:41 Now, I recently have looked at the charts 19:44 for the top five most notorious serial killers 19:48 of the 20th century, because what else does one do 19:50 at their time? 19:52 And this 22 degree point is present 19:56 in a ton of their charts. 19:58 And it doesn't matter what house. 19:59 It's just 22 degrees in any house. 20:02 And that was also the degree that Saturn and Pluto met in 2020 20:07 when the pandemic started. 20:09 And in fact, it was in January, January 12, 20:13 that we had the sun, Saturn, Pluto, the South 20:17 Node, all at 22 degrees. 20:20 And I remember looking at that and being like 22. 20:22 What's significant there, yeah. 20:24 And I see it across all of these charts is 22. 20:28 Interesting. 20:28 Well, we have the moon at 22 degrees, 20:31 Venus at 22 degrees, Uranus at 22 degrees of Capricorn, 20:36 which is actually the same point 20:38 that it starts during the pandemic. 20:41 So there's this 22 that I'm sort of like planting the seed 20:44 of because we're actually gonna see it continue 20:46 to unfold through all of these charts. 20:48 And like for anyone listening when they're looking 20:50 at their turn like, I have 22 degrees in my chart. 20:53 This doesn't necessarily mean that you are a killer 20:56 or that you are going to be at the forefront 20:59 of an upcoming attack, but- 21:01 Doesn't mean you're not, though. 21:02 It doesn't mean you're not, but yeah. 21:04 Not Martin's sake, but yeah, you can't write. 21:06 Don't rest, yeah. 21:08 You never know what's around the corner, yeah. 21:10 It's sleeping well open. 21:11 Stay vigilant. 21:12 Me, yes, stay vigilant. 21:14 There are certain degrees in astrology 21:16 that have certain energy associated with them. 21:20 Oh, see, I didn't know that. 21:21 Yes. 21:21 That's interesting. 21:22 Yes, and it would seem to me 21:23 that there's definitely a lot of pressure around this 22 degree point. 21:29 Because it's ending the cycle, you think, or nearly the end of a cycle? 21:32 It seems to me, I mean, in numerology, 22 is considered to be one of these, like, master 21:38 numbers where it has, like, a certain vibration around it, this repeating number sort of energy. 21:44 Right. 21:44 And it, I think that maybe it's, there's this, you know, each degree has sort of a 21:49 a different story. 21:51 29 is the anerotic degree. 21:53 It's the end of the cycle. 21:54 22 feels like it is almost like a point of, 21:58 it's like a climax point. 21:59 It's like a point where things pop off. 22:02 It's the point where things happen. 22:04 So we have this 22 number here, 22:06 which we're gonna see, 22:07 we're gonna sort of be chased by throughout all of these. 22:10 And I also wanted to flag that I noticed 22:13 that the sun and the south node 22:14 were conjunct this evening of this initial attack. 22:18 I've also noticed that the South Note seems to be very, very present in charts of serial killers 22:24 and also in charts of attacks and charts of like the nights that things happen, the big days for something. 22:32 And, you know, as a someone who has a Sun-South Note conjunction in my own chart, 22:37 like I can attest to the fact that like we can have drama without murder. 22:42 But there are just things that have a certain intensity to it. 22:46 And this is one of them. 22:48 So August 13th, we have this first attack. 22:52 About a month later, there is this second attack, 22:56 which is Conchetta and Joseph Rosetto, 23:00 and entering through an unlatched kitchen window. 23:05 Oh, latched window. 23:06 This is another case of a meat cleaver. 23:10 Both survive, though they are disfigured from this. 23:14 Joseph is blind in one eye. 23:16 We see this continuation of this Uranus-Neptune opposition here. 23:22 Again, this only happens every 170 years. 23:26 So it's not going to happen again until 2080. 23:29 I don't even know. 23:30 Absolutely a big dam. 23:30 Yeah. 23:31 Like, I mean, we're good. 23:32 So we're out. 23:33 Yeah. 23:34 We're not going to see this one. 23:35 Really? 23:35 I can't do quick math. 23:37 Yeah. 23:38 Really? 23:38 Some of us might still be kicking others. 23:42 Probably be long gone. 23:43 Yeah, long gone. 23:44 We done did it, baby. 23:45 And there also is this interesting sort of like, uh, 23:49 Grand Cross that's being formed here, uh, between Jupiter, 23:53 which is in Libra at this time, Cardinal activation. 23:57 So there's a lot of energy, but we don't get into 24:00 some of the deeper signatures of the Axemen himself 24:04 until we get into the history. 24:07 Like we go through time and the chronology a little bit more. 24:09 And really the next year, June 27th, 1911, 24:16 we have another attack. 24:17 This one is on Joseph and Mary. 24:21 We know them, those are. 24:23 We sure do. 24:24 Those are historical figures. 24:26 Joseph and Mary, you say. 24:26 Joseph and Mary, Mary is actually pregnant in this too. 24:29 She's a 16 year old pregnant woman. 24:31 She survives, Joseph does not. 24:34 But it's interesting because even these attacks, 24:37 Like these are being referred to as the cleaver attacks and they're sort of erratic, you know, 24:43 it's we have 1910s we have in 1911 and then in 1912 it's Tony and Joanna 24:52 Shiambra and this is a very very important one because this is similarly you know in their 24:59 sleep comes in at night but this is with a gun so whoever does this shoots them both 25:06 at close range while they're sleeping. 25:09 These two also Italian grocers, successful merchants. 25:14 And this one is definitely sort of flagged 25:17 as like was this mafia related? 25:20 Is this something that has to do 25:21 with like an extortion gone wrong? 25:23 Yeah, I think it's more of those vibes. 25:25 It does. 25:26 But this story actually ends up coming back 25:28 around in the axman. 25:30 Because this is Mrs. Tony. 25:32 And this becomes sort of like the only time that we see 25:37 the proper axman himself given nod to any of these earlier attacks. 25:42 But what do you guys think of these? 25:44 We actually have a final one. 25:47 Anna and Alina is that same year of, or no, 25:53 many years later comes back around. 25:54 Like what do you think about these sort of like erratic 25:56 earlier attacks from almost a decade before? 25:59 It feels like it could be, like him trying it out 26:04 and like kind of just failing and trying and failing. 26:07 Like this feels like a trial and error. 26:09 It definitely, it could be. 26:11 It has that air to it, I would say. 26:13 But at the same time, like it was so violent back then 26:17 that it could be unrelated. 26:19 It could just be a random. 26:20 But I don't know, there's something to it that feels 26:23 connected. It's so frenzied. 26:25 It's the frenzy. 26:26 You know, frenetic and like not together 26:28 that it feels like it could be him, just like early him? 26:31 Yes. 26:32 And there's some, and we'll get into this more, 26:35 but in what was going on, who was it? 26:38 Who'd done it, really? 26:39 And like the mystery of it all, 26:41 obviously there's different theories, right? 26:43 There's the theory that it was mafia related. 26:45 There's also this theory of what was called the Black Hand, 26:48 which was this extortion ring that was going on, 26:52 specifically targeting immigrants, Sicilian, Italian, 26:58 successful merchants and they were basically they would say like they would leave letters and be like 27:03 shut it down give us the money or you will kill you will kill your family it's just that they 27:08 didn't really kill the family. It was more of a threat. Yeah it was the threat. So like these are 27:12 obviously very extreme versions of this but with Tony and Joanna in particular you know these 27:18 were you know they were very successful merchants they were successful grocers they were shot 27:24 which has a little bit more of an association 27:26 with some of the other more organized violence 27:29 that was going on. 27:30 Yeah, that's more mafia coded. 27:31 But then with Anna and Alina, 27:33 which is December 22nd, 1917. 27:36 So we jump five years later. 27:38 Wow. 27:38 It's right before like the official 27:40 actual beginning starts. 27:42 It starts with a gun and it ends with an axe. 27:45 Interesting. 27:48 So what happens this night? 27:51 It's like almost like he found, 27:52 like this is it. 27:53 in the process, yes. 27:55 Anna wakes up to see a shadowy figure over her husband, 28:00 and he has a gun. 28:02 And he basically said, holding a gun to her is like, 28:05 shut up, or I'll kill you. 28:07 I guess in the other hand has an ax 28:11 bashing the husband over the head with this ax. 28:14 Oh my God. 28:15 It's like, dude, why do you need both? 28:17 Yeah. 28:17 An ax would shut me the hell up. 28:18 Yeah, seriously. 28:19 On the way out of this house, 28:21 after he's like bashed, doesn't take anything, 28:24 but just like is threatening, right? 28:26 Like crazy, wax the 14 year olds who's in another room, 28:30 strikes the 13 year olds in an arm, right? 28:34 So it's a 14 year old gets bashed in the head, 28:36 13 year old gets struck in the arm, 28:39 but this is the first case where we see 28:41 what ends up becoming the signature entry 28:43 of chiseling through the door. 28:45 Yeah, like that bottom panel of the door. 28:48 Which is the scariest thing ever. 28:49 And the fact that there were some cases 28:50 where people would wake up the next day 28:53 and find their door chiseled in, 28:54 and it just like was not, 28:56 or it was too thick for the acts to get through. 28:57 Like they tried to. 28:58 To know that you were that close to it. 29:00 Yeah, but he was trying to get in. 29:02 Oh! 29:02 And you do like the bottom panel, right? 29:04 Yeah, a panel. 29:05 I would leave the state. 29:07 It's crazy to me that in this, 29:10 so this one was really notable to me. 29:12 Yeah. 29:13 Because this December 22nd, 1917, 29:15 and we do have a time, 29:16 which is a delight for all of us, 29:18 3 a.m. 29:19 Oh, wow. 29:21 The witching hour. 29:21 Fantastic. 29:22 We have this switch happen where it almost feels like whoever is doing this finds their 29:32 vibe. 29:32 It's like they find their flow. 29:34 They're getting their flow state because they had, they're maybe going to do it like 29:38 they did in 1912 with the gun, but then they're like, but I can do, I can make it even 29:43 scarier. 29:44 Right. 29:45 And more terrifying. 29:46 Right, yeah. 29:46 by way of this blunt, sharp object, combo blunt and sharp. 29:54 And like switches in the midst of it, 29:56 and then we never see a gun again. 29:58 And then in the next attack, it's an axman attack. 30:01 Yeah, see, that feels like it right there. 30:04 You never see the gun again. 30:05 It feels like I found it. 30:07 And you don't really see missing items anymore 30:10 or anything like that. 30:11 Cause like it's like he realized like, 30:12 I don't need to do that. 30:13 Yeah, I could just. 30:14 I know, scary enough. 30:15 Yeah, scary enough. 30:17 So, in this chart, we have some of the things that I'm going to end up that really become 30:23 notable for when this is like the crux of this is this is really going on. 30:28 So we have a south node, Pluto conjunction, and again, the south node is basically a past 30:36 life. 30:37 When we see the south node and the north node, which are triggered by eclipses, 30:41 The South Node speaks to where we have come from, karma, 30:47 destiny, like things that are sort of predate our existence. 30:53 And it does give this sort of like dark, 30:56 supernatural tone to it, 30:58 especially when it is working directly with Pluto. 31:01 With Pluto, yeah. 31:02 Pluto is the planet of the underworld. 31:05 Oh, damn. 31:05 So when Pluto is involved in a chart. 31:07 Death, death, death. 31:08 It's death, death, death. 31:09 Oh, shit, yeah. 31:10 So we have this, 31:11 And so to me, I have goosebumps thinking about like, 31:13 oh, whoever is doing this like finds their freaky 31:16 underworld signature in the process of this attack. 31:20 Which is so spot on for what seems to happen here. 31:24 Yes, yes. 31:25 And it's almost like past him coming into like this new life. 31:31 You know what I mean? Totally. 31:32 And like what was going on previously, you know, 31:34 and we'll talk about some of the potential suspects for this. 31:38 There really is just one name. 31:39 I was gonna say this really not a lot. 31:41 And I, it's a strong theory. 31:43 It is pretty strong. 31:44 And the mafia connection I find interesting. 31:47 I do think it's a possible mafia connection, 31:50 but also like a very deeply mentally ill person. 31:53 I think this is it. 31:55 I think that this is somebody who was like, 31:57 perhaps like conspiratorial wrapped up in this. 32:01 And then like vigilante is like, I can take, 32:03 like you think you send threatening letters, 32:05 like what if we send threatening murders, you know? 32:08 when you were saying like threatening letters like you know we're gonna kill 32:11 your whole family but we don't because we've scared you it's almost like the 32:14 one person who was involved in this that took it too far took it too far and like 32:17 took it that actually did all the way when that was not actually the plan no 32:22 and it was like not required even no you did way too much yeah like to be a 32:26 criminal in this organization like you didn't need to go that far like yeah 32:30 you did the most yeah and it seems like there's you know there's this 32:34 erratic nature to it, where like you couldn't say, you know, their first two are a month apart, 32:40 spooky, right? But then the next one is a year later, then we have another one that's a year 32:45 after that. So there's enough of this sort of like erratic timeline that it's not back to back. 32:51 So people can start to sort of like, relax, and distance, forget. And then it comes back 32:57 around again. Yeah. So until it all starts to come, you know, until it is in a quicker 33:03 or since, what is the word there? 33:05 Succession. 33:06 Succession, yes. 33:07 Well, the interesting thing, too, 33:08 is that he actually went to prison for, 33:12 I think it was at the end of 1911, 33:13 like this main suspect adhered some. 33:15 His real name was Frank Doc Mumfrey, 33:17 but he's went by the alias of Joseph Mumfrey. 33:20 So he may have been sent to prison, 33:22 but then in the summer of 1918, 33:24 when everything started back up again, he was paroled. 33:27 So it really is. 33:28 Feels pretty. 33:29 Kind of winds up. 33:31 It really does line up. 33:32 And that only then speaks to those first attacks being legitimately him. 33:36 Yeah, and I think that's been warm up. Yeah. 33:39 I have to say his chart done done done. 33:43 Oh, here he is. 33:44 It it fits into the attacks in such a fascinating way. 33:49 Yeah, including the fact that he has that twenty two degree signature 33:53 in his chart. Obviously. Oh, OK. 33:55 I'm so interested. I know. 33:57 I know. Very. It's a more recent discovery that I've had. 34:01 but it's like one of those where I'm like, this again? 34:04 Like a pattern recognition bitch can't unsee it. 34:08 You cannot see that. 34:09 Well, astrology is all about patterns. 34:11 Exactly. 34:12 So this suspect, there's obviously some sort of, 34:18 this is not verified, right? 34:21 But what we have for a birthday for them 34:23 is November 1st, 1875, 34:25 which puts them as a Scorpio son 34:28 with a conjunction to Jupiter in Scorpio. 34:31 So lots of Scorpio energy here. 34:33 And most significantly, this chart for the attack 34:37 on December 22nd, 1917 is a Scorpio rising. 34:41 So this is very much the energy of like, 34:44 oh, I'm locked in and I found it. 34:47 I found that thing that I'm doing. 34:49 And Jupiter's only gonna expand 34:50 on all that spooky, scary energy. 34:53 Yes, yes. Jupiter expands. 34:54 This is so fun to sit between both of you right now. 34:57 I'm like, yeah. 34:58 Yeah, this is the students and then the real deal. 35:02 Very interesting. 35:02 Another spooky thing in this Anna-Andalina chart 35:08 and this attack where I think that it is Frank Mumfrey who 35:12 finds his way is that we were coming 35:15 into a Saturn-Neptune conjunction at this time. 35:20 This only happens every 36 years. 35:22 We just had one this year. 35:24 So one of the signatures of 2026 is a Saturn Neptune conjunction in Aries. 35:30 There was a Saturn Neptune conjunction happening at this time here too. 35:34 Also in a fire sign. 35:36 And this was happening in Leo. 35:38 So there is this sort of like drama, intensity. 35:42 Pay attention to me. 35:44 I need you to focus. 35:46 Theatrics. 35:47 It's really about the sort of the dramatics of it. 35:51 And I think that this is also what this person, yes, yes, yes, yes. 35:56 I think that this is also what our suspect is finding himself sort of like getting titillated by. 36:02 More than the other ones is like, oh, I can chisel out this panel. 36:06 I can leave a signature. 36:08 I can scare all of these people. 36:11 I don't even have to necessarily kill in order to be the scariest one. 36:15 Yep. 36:16 Because we're going to see what happens when he kills and then doesn't kill in these subsequent 36:21 attacks too. 36:23 Yeah. 36:23 Ooh. 36:33 This episode is sponsored by Stella Rosa. 36:36 Weirdos. 36:37 Mikey here. 36:38 After all the murder, mayhem, and deeply unsettling stories, sometimes a palette cleanser is 36:43 exactly what you need. 36:44 Stella Rosa Black is a semi-sweet, semi-sparkling red wine with bright blackberry, blueberry, 36:50 and raspberry flavors. 36:51 It's dark, fruity, and honestly feels extremely appropriate for weirdos like you and me. 36:57 Like if a wine was going to join you for a creepy story at night, obviously it would be 37:01 this one. 37:02 Then, there's Stella Rosa Moscato D'Asti, a semi-sweet, semi-sparkling wine with bright 37:09 pear and apple flavors. 37:11 It's lighter, bright, and basically the perfect palette cleanser to have after spending 37:15 an hour discussing something deeply disturbing. 37:18 I am not a huge fan of dry wine. 37:21 I can't have things that taste like the barrel that they were stored in. 37:26 I just like something sweet. 37:28 I love the sweet things in life. 37:30 And the best part about Stella Rosa is that it also is sparkling. 37:35 I love me some sparkling water and I love sparkling wine. 37:39 It's so refreshing and bright and it's so delicious. 37:43 It's the perfect way to end a meal. 37:46 I absolutely love it. 37:47 Find StellaRosa at StellaRosa.com or at your local retailer. 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But most importantly, all of this is happening during Pisces season. And Pisces 40:43 is ruled by Neptune. 40:45 And super, super dreamy, but also delusions, addictions, mental health issues. 40:51 And just like it did in 2020, this all started, this all started unraveling during Pisces 40:56 season. 40:56 Oh, damn. 40:56 It doesn't change the fact that when we have this first flu outbreak, 41:01 it's March 11th, 1918, which is, in fact, we can, we can fact check this, 41:06 but it is the day that the pandemic is declared. 41:08 Yes, you're correct. 41:09 Which is crazy. 41:10 That is crazy. 41:11 Crazy. 41:11 Yeah. 41:12 So Neptune, the Saturn Neptune conjunction is the main signature of this, 41:16 but the sun is on this day, March 11th, 1918. 41:20 We have a new moon in Pisces. 41:23 It's giving something is really wrong. 41:27 Pay attention, pay attention on this day we had a hundred people second before noon, and this is when we know that this is not contained. 41:37 This is not going well. Yeah. 41:40 So this is in the backdrop of the axman at this time. 41:44 On May 23, 1918, we have the attack, which is really the first axman attack. 41:52 My notes on this are plentiful. 41:57 on Joseph and Catherine Maggio, May 23rd. 42:02 So this is a Gemini season attack. 42:05 Which is chaotic. 42:06 Chaotic in its own right, yes. 42:08 They were living, 42:09 they grocers lived above a grocery store. 42:12 The bottom panel was knocked out with a chisel. 42:16 And that is how this person came in 42:18 and entered their home. 42:20 This was an attack where we have both are murdered, first of all. 42:29 Throats were slit. 42:31 Yeah, she was almost decapitated, wasn't she? 42:33 Yes, this is one of the most brutal murders of all. 42:39 We also have no looting, nothing was stolen, everything was totally intact. 42:45 There were jewels, money all in plain sight right there. 42:47 The axe was found, there were bloody clothes on the scene from the murder, 42:53 and significantly, Chalk Outside said, 42:58 Miss Maggio will sit up tonight, like Mrs. Tony. 43:03 That's so spooky. 43:04 So spooky. 43:05 Connected. 43:05 And this is, I have goosebumps, but this is a direct reference 43:09 to the attack that had happened with guns. 43:12 And the only time that people... 43:15 It's gonna be. 43:15 It's essentially saying, I'm back. 43:17 I'm back. 43:17 Yes, I'm back. 43:19 And this is crazy because people are like, 43:22 could it be the same person that was with guns, 43:25 this is with an axe, 43:26 but they're directly alluding to it. 43:28 Yeah, people change. 43:29 Messages all the time. 43:31 People change, people grow. 43:32 Yeah. 43:32 And some of them don't, 43:33 I think people think that serial killers 43:36 always have one thing that they do. 43:39 That's not always the case. 43:40 No, a lot of times there is a evolution. 43:43 Like, look at the Night Stalker. 43:44 Like, he did tons of different things. 43:46 It's like there's so many of them that they just take what's in front of them and we'll 43:50 do whatever. 43:50 Night Stalker, Pisces, double Pisces, with a 22 of his signature. 43:56 Oh my God. 43:57 He's so gross. 43:57 But we need to figure out the 22 of it all. 43:59 This is going to keep me up. 44:00 I know. 44:00 I know. 44:01 It's significant. 44:02 It's significant. 44:03 Yeah. 44:03 Yeah. 44:04 So this is such an interesting illusion because it almost feels to me like, hey, 44:10 I am, it's like saying, I'm the same person. 44:12 You know, like I know about what happened back in 1912. 44:17 It's 1918 now. 44:18 Like I'm making a direct reference. 44:20 Also keep in mind that was May 16th, 1912. 44:23 This was May 23rd, 1918. 44:25 So it was like, hey, like let me lay this out for you. 44:28 People are like going to be the same person. 44:31 Well, I don't know. 44:33 Also the sit up like Mrs. Tony. 44:35 I'm like, that is chilling, chilling. 44:37 So I did a little, I did a little lookie-loo into it. 44:40 Yeah. 44:40 And what it is believed that that is a reference to, is that a traditional wake or funeral before the night before this, you know, a funeral, there was a sort of a ceremonial practice of having your own private 45:00 vigil where the corpse would be on display and like 45:04 Yeah, and this was something that would only be take place sort of like in, you know, the privacy of a family. 45:11 Right. But it was something that was known within, especially Italian communities at this time. 45:18 That makes so much sense now. 45:20 So it also is giving, this is coming from inside, like the call is coming from inside the house. 45:25 Yeah, absolutely it is. 45:25 So maybe, you know, obviously we have all of these Italian Americans who were the victims here, 45:31 and there was thinking of like, 45:33 this is a racist person who's going after these, 45:35 but this could also be somebody who is within their own 45:38 community. 45:40 And this is a case where at first they were like, 45:43 Mrs. Tony, like who the hell is Mrs. Tony? 45:46 No one had died recently of Mrs. Tony, 45:49 but people in the neighborhood knew 45:52 that Joanna was referred to as Mrs. Tony by customers. 45:56 Oh. 45:57 And that gives full blown mafia right there. 46:00 does. So this is someone who it's like, Oh, I know. Yes. I know. I knew this person. Yes. 46:07 So they're either in, I would say they're either in that community or they are someone who like has 46:13 very close ties to that community. Like it's within it at times. Maybe monetary. Not necessarily like 46:20 an Italian American themselves. Yes. Could be. It could be either. Yeah. Yes. So and it's 46:25 somebody who was very aware of the impact and loss 46:30 from these earlier deaths. 46:33 It was someone who was like, 46:34 oh, like here's a little reference point. 46:36 Remember how you lost a beloved community member? 46:39 Don't forget. 46:39 Yeah, here's another loss. 46:41 That was me. 46:42 Which is so, so eerie, so diabolical. 46:46 We have another South Node active in this chart. 46:49 It's at 22 degrees. 46:51 Spooky. 46:52 South Node, 22 degrees of Gemini. 46:54 It's making a conjunction to Jupiter and Gemini at 18 degrees 46:59 Expanding that spooky energy 47:01 Expanding the spooky energy and then Saturn Neptune are still conjunct still adding this backdrop 47:07 Saturn is the original like Pluto is a grim reaper Pluto is death Saturn is the OG death the grim reaper 47:14 Yeah, in in your our ancient astronomers 47:19 Did not you know before the telescope? 47:21 So we only believe that Saturn was the final planet in the solar system. 47:26 It was the outer limit. 47:28 So Saturn is death just because it's like that's the end of the line. 47:31 And Saturn is the represented as the, you know, the collection of the harvest. 47:37 So we have the Sith. 47:39 We have the sort of like we're, we're reaping what we sow here. 47:42 And the grim reaper aesthetically was modeled after Saturn and the archetypes 47:48 of Saturn. 47:49 That's your ruler. 47:51 That's my planet. 47:52 Yeah. 47:52 It's a total ruler. 47:54 It's me too. 47:55 Is that copper-corn rising here? 47:57 Yeah. 47:57 Yeah, it rolls with an iron sip. 47:59 Yeah, literally. 48:00 There you go. 48:01 Yeah. 48:03 So there's definitely this sort of like haunted, spooky, you know, death-coded chart that 48:14 was going on the night of this. 48:15 not to mention it is a Scorpio moon that night. 48:18 So we have this callback to potentially our suspect 48:23 being once again activated. 48:26 Yes. 48:27 So yeah, so this is the first Axemen murder. 48:32 They say officially on the book. 48:34 Even though it's like, hello, he's calling back 48:37 to another murder that he clearly was before. 48:39 Yes, and he wants you to know he's back. 48:42 And it feels like very much, 48:44 maybe this is because we have the flu coming in at this time, 48:48 we also are still in the throes of World War I at this time. 48:53 So a lot going on. Yeah, a lot going on. 48:55 In just a few things. Yeah. 48:55 And the drama of it, the Leo of it, is kind of like, 48:58 hey, knock, knock, pay attention. 49:00 Yeah. Did you forget me? 49:01 And people were like, yeah, that's scary. 49:03 In a minute, put all of this. 49:05 Look at the rest. Look at the rest. 49:06 Yeah. 49:10 So the next month, we have another attack. 49:13 And this is the attack on Lewis and Harriet Lowe. 49:18 This is the mistress. 49:21 Oh, yes. Yes. 49:23 So this is an interesting one 49:25 because we have a story here of after this attack, 49:30 they both had initially survived. 49:33 And Harriet, the mistress, keeps changing her story 49:37 around who she believes had done it. 49:41 At first she's like, it's the neighbors, 49:42 then she's like, actually, it's the person 49:45 I was having an affair with. 49:46 It's the person who was sleeping next to me. 49:48 Oh my God. 49:48 Which is also like, wait, he bashed his own head. 49:50 Yeah, like he bashed his own head. 49:52 Police felt to understand that one. 49:54 But it's also really sad because she ends up, 49:56 she's very disfigured. 49:58 She has like this horrible, 50:00 she's been attacked by an ax. 50:02 And she has surgery the next year, 50:05 which is a disaster. 50:08 She ends up dying as a result of the surgery. 50:11 so sad so like she is a victim you know she is a fatality I should say from that 50:16 absolutely it's just not immediate yeah and in this chart we have again we're 50:22 still seeing that signature of Saturn and Neptune and we start to get closer to 50:27 what ends up becoming among the spookiest ukiest signatures of them all 50:32 which is the Jupiter Pluto conjunction yeah which when we were talking about 50:38 about this case, you were like, 50:39 is that a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction I saw? 50:42 Yep. 50:43 It was? 50:44 Yes, yes. 50:46 Oh no. 50:47 Jupiter, the planet of expansion. 50:50 Pluto, the planet of death. 50:52 When these two come together. 50:53 It's not really a party. 50:54 I was just gonna say, it's a party. 50:56 Yeah. 50:57 Party time. 50:58 No. 50:58 Some kind of party. 50:59 Well, I do refer to Jupiter as Casino Daddy. 51:02 Very loving of me. 51:03 Casino Daddy. 51:03 I love that. 51:04 I love for us to imagine. 51:05 You know, one day I'm going to personify 51:08 all of these planets, I'll cast them all. 51:09 Oh my God. 51:10 He's a dual one-woman show, please. 51:13 But I love the idea of like, imagine Jupiter as, 51:17 you know, you go to a casino and you see someone 51:19 like Hawaiian shirt, tufts of hair. 51:21 It's going all in. 51:23 Gold chains, sunglasses on. 51:25 Like smoking a sig. 51:26 So smoking a sig, like ladies on either arm, 51:29 rolling it down, like, and then you're like this, 51:31 wow, like what a scene, but you're also like, 51:33 kind of smelly, has he, like when was the last time 51:36 he showered? 51:37 Like, does he even know what day it is? 51:39 Like, he's living with Jack Nicholson in, um, what is that movie, uh, which is of Eastwick? 51:45 Oh my God. 51:46 100%. 51:47 Yes. 51:47 And I do have a new working theory that you can always tell someone who has, specifically 51:53 a man I've been testing this theory with, someone with SAJ in their sun, moon, or rising 51:58 because they love Hawaiian shirts. 52:00 So go back through your social roster and see any Hawaiian shirt. 52:05 Here's the thing. 52:06 I kind of love a Hawaiian shirt and I am a sad rising. 52:09 I don't wear them, but I can appreciate them. 52:12 The one that I wore when I was a dad on the storytellers, 52:14 I fucking love that shirt. 52:16 So share with us, like what is, as a sad rising, 52:18 like what is your draw to a Hawaiian shirt? 52:22 It's just outrageous. 52:23 That's it. 52:24 It's just outrageous. 52:25 There it is, yes. 52:26 I say that it is the, 52:28 sad just can't resist the intersection 52:30 of like kitchen vagus. 52:32 Yes. 52:33 Yeah, it's irresistible. 52:35 That's actually why. 52:36 Because my style sometimes I fully can admit is a little tacky. 52:40 And I like I fall into that. 52:43 And they do say you're supposed to dress as you're rising. 52:45 Oh, damn. 52:46 Yeah, a little kitschy Vegas. 52:48 And my racing's a Virgo. 52:50 I got to look that up. 52:51 But it makes sense because you're drawn to like dark academia kind of looks. 52:54 Oh, so that's okay. 52:55 Oh, that's so true. 52:56 Right. 52:56 That's so true. 52:56 What is your rising again? 52:57 Unfortunately, it's Capricorn Rising. 52:59 And this is why like I can't seem to escape. 53:01 That's not your style. 53:02 I can't escape business casual. 53:04 Yeah, but I feel like you have like a fun, funky way of dressing. 53:08 Thanks, you know, it's, but if I see a blazer, I lock in so hard. 53:12 You can't ever get me away from a blazer. 53:14 I love a blazer. A blazer doesn't work on me, though. 53:16 I will. 53:18 I'm like haunted by a blazer. 53:19 I have found so many blazers. 53:22 It's, it's disgusting. 53:22 You're a capricorn son with a, 53:25 with a burdo rising, of course. 53:27 Blazers are, you are a blazer. 53:29 I was born in a blazer. 53:31 I was so strongly related to that. 53:33 Yes, I was I feel like I can't it's like every time I get dressed 53:37 It's like I look in the closet and I'm like, is it Blake? No 53:44 But it really does a blazer hates to see me coming 53:50 I think I was born in the Hawaiian shirt and a feather bow. Oh my god. Yeah me there 53:57 Take me to that room that hospital bed. Yeah, but circling back 54:02 So Jupiter is ruled by, so SAGE is ruled by Jupiter. 54:08 So that is the correlation of SAGE and Jupiter. 54:11 So Jupiter is a go big, go home. 54:13 So wherever it goes, it's more and more and more. 54:16 It's excess. 54:17 So when Jupiter is on Pluto, it's more and more and more excess. 54:21 Death, death, death. 54:22 Destruction. 54:23 Yes. 54:23 Yeah. 54:24 And that becomes, in addition to Saturn and Neptune, 54:27 which is still going on through this whole time 54:29 because it's a very long, slow-moving. 54:32 Generational. 54:32 Yes. We have then also Jupiter and Pluto coming into the mix. 54:37 Okay. 54:38 So, here we have this attack, you know, and we get into this sort of frenzy of like, 54:46 who does it? Oh, we also have the south note at 22 degrees, of course. Why wouldn't we? 54:51 Why not? 54:52 Why not? Making a conjunction to Jupiter. 54:55 Wow. 54:55 Yeah, I know. It's crazy. This 22 is wild. 54:58 What does it mean? 54:59 It means something is amiss, simply something is amiss. 55:05 So then in August we have another attack 55:10 and this one is on Anna Schneider. 55:13 She's pregnant. 55:15 She wakes up to a figure looming above her. 55:19 Her axe she'll later find has gone missing. 55:23 We have this Jupiter-Pluto conjunction getting stronger 55:28 stronger and stronger by this point. 55:29 Jupiter is at four degrees, Pluto is at five. 55:32 They're coming together. 55:33 Mars is obviously at 22 degrees 55:35 because why wouldn't it be in a chart? 55:37 And Mars is like war, like male energy, 55:42 like kind of toxic. 55:44 Oh no. 55:45 In this case, I'm saying. 55:46 Yes, 100%. 55:47 Yes, I mean, like all of these things are sort of like, 55:50 oh, you wanna see the worst example 55:51 of these planets coming together. 55:53 Yeah, they're definitely at their faults here. 55:55 Damn, they're in their flop era. 55:57 Yes, they're in their flora. 56:00 They're not exalted. 56:03 So this is when, so she survives. 56:07 She actually has her baby two days ago. 56:10 And these signatures, this Jupiter-Pluto conjunction 56:14 that we're moving to, also was going on in 2020, 56:18 which is nuts. 56:19 Hate that. 56:20 Yeah. 56:21 I hate that a lot. 56:21 So that is another one of those interesting signatures 56:24 because remember, there's a pandemic happening here. 56:27 Like through this time, we also have this, 56:30 this other horror that's happening, 56:33 especially to New Orleans, 56:34 which is that as we are getting deeper and deeper 56:37 into this 1918, 1919, it's like New Orleans 56:40 is getting more and more sort of like the onslaught. 56:43 And the death toll is only rising 56:45 between these murders and the pandemic. 56:48 Yes. 56:48 Yes. 56:49 Like coinciding. 56:50 This is like plague. 56:52 It is. 56:52 It is the amount of death. 56:54 Yeah. 56:54 A few days later, August 10th, Joseph Romano. 56:58 Just five days later. 56:59 Yes. 57:00 So this is like we've really heated up now. 57:03 Yeah, he's not even taking a breath. 57:04 And he's an 80 year old by the way. 57:07 Joseph Romano. 57:08 I know that kills me. 57:09 Yeah, so Joseph Romano, an 80 year old, 57:12 lived with his nieces who heard this happening. 57:17 They saw the attacker and described him 57:21 as dark, tall, heavy set, black suit, slouch hat. 57:26 Spooky as fuck. 57:28 That's interesting. 57:29 Spooky as fuck. 57:31 Honestly, I just picture the, I can't think of his name, 57:35 but he played the ax man in American Horror Story. 57:39 Oh yeah. 57:40 His whole get up there. 57:41 It's totally personified. 57:43 Does he have a slouch hat? 57:44 I can't remember if he has a slouch hat, 57:45 but he's got that like swanky man kind of vibe. 57:49 Well, I was looking up, like, what is a slouch hat? 57:52 And is it coming back around in style? 57:54 Like, is it going to be the new fedora? 57:56 I fear it won't. 57:58 These are, but you know, but you'll know the hats. 58:01 I'm looking at that. 58:02 They're wide brimmed felt hats, 58:04 and they are very functional. 58:08 They were worn by people who worked outdoors a lot 58:11 because they provided good, like, shade protection. 58:13 Okay. 58:14 They're a little floppier than a fedora. 58:16 They also were worn by people 58:19 like vets wore them, people who had been in the military. 58:24 So they had this very sort of like functional quality to them, 58:28 which is giving more working class than a top hat. 58:34 And I don't know if Jack the Ripper, for example, 58:37 like, you know, I feel like when we, do we have, 58:40 do we know what he was wearing? 58:41 Or is it mostly just through like the mythology? 58:45 I think it is. 58:45 A lot of lore. 58:46 We really don't know what he was wearing. 58:47 because I feel like when I think of Jack the Ripper, 58:49 I'm thinking that like the gentleman and the tape 58:51 and the top hat, here we have an instance 58:54 of an actual hat being cited, 58:57 but it is functional over fabulous. 59:01 He wasn't wearing a slouch hat in an American Horror Story. 59:04 It is the same guy that played Marlowe 59:05 in 30 Days and Night, though. 59:07 I didn't know if you knew that. 59:09 Oh, interesting. 59:10 Yeah, he's great. 59:11 She's like, she's so good at this. 59:15 So after this attack, you know, we 59:18 have all of the signatures. 59:19 We have the chiseled door. 59:21 We have the ax left. 59:24 We have a full blown manhunt that goes on, 59:28 where we're like, this has gone too far. 59:29 Finally, I mean, look at all of these incidents. 59:32 And finally, they're like, we got to do something. 59:33 We should stop this. 59:35 Which is also like, stop this man. 59:37 Yeah. 59:38 Like, this is enough. 59:39 This has been going on since 1910 at this point. 59:42 Exactly. 59:42 Like you guys are just gonna let this happen. 59:44 We're just gonna let people chisel people's back door open. 59:47 He's coming into my house. 59:48 Right. 59:49 Well, he doesn't kill me. 59:50 He's gonna kill me. 59:51 We're gonna infect each other. 59:52 He's coughing on me, bashing my head in. 59:54 He's spreading shit around. 59:55 It is so interesting to me 59:56 that there is a pandemic going on 59:58 and he doesn't give a fuck. 60:00 Because that was actually one of the things 60:02 during the COVID pandemic that people were joking about. 60:05 They were like, oh, there's gonna be so much less crime 60:06 because no one wants to go into someone's house right now. 60:09 like no one wants to get sick, COVID's so scary, 60:12 but this guy just didn't give a fuck. 60:13 Which honestly does like almost solidify my belief 60:17 that there is a level of mental illness here 60:19 that it's just not computing. 60:21 Cause you feel like most of, mostly people would be like, 60:25 yeah, I don't want to die of illness. 60:28 He's not even taking anything. 60:29 Not even considering it. 60:30 He's not taking anything. 60:31 He's just going in for like for the hell of this. 60:35 Just to do this freaky shit. 60:36 And bashing people's heads open. 60:38 And I mean, I remember during COVID, 60:41 we went to wear insane amounts of PPE 60:43 because it's like blood-borne, you know? 60:45 Like when I would do autopsies during the pandemic, 60:48 we were in the literal, like, double that PPE. 60:51 Biohazard, like, you were doing PPE. 60:52 We were doing autopsies during the pandemic. 60:54 Yeah, yeah. 60:55 It was crazy. 60:57 We were in so many levels of PPE. 61:00 It looked like we were like a bomb squad. 61:02 It was insane. 61:03 Whoa. 61:04 You would kind of go home and you'd still have a face 61:06 like imprinted on your face. 61:08 Like marks in my face, like, yeah. 61:09 Wow. 61:10 And you think about this guy, 61:11 and he's going in, 61:12 and obviously he's getting covered in blood. 61:14 Nobody's saying he's wearing a mask either, 61:16 so it's not like he says that. 61:17 Yeah. 61:17 He's wearing like, 61:19 that's the other thing, 61:19 he's wearing like suits, 61:20 and you know, 61:21 what he clothes are found. 61:22 He doesn't give a fuck. 61:23 He doesn't have any regard. 61:25 Well, he started in 1910, 61:25 he started before this. 61:27 Yeah. 61:27 And to me, 61:28 like, I think we talked about this 61:29 with Jack the Ripper too, 61:30 where they're almost get, 61:32 like becomes this crescendo of like, 61:33 catch me, 61:34 fucking catch me, 61:35 Like, what the fuck are you guys doing? 61:38 Yeah, like it's, and it's this like push and pull between 61:40 obviously not wanting to actually stop 61:43 because you have bloodlust in your psychotic. 61:46 You just can't. 61:47 Yes, but also like you don't wanna be ignored. 61:50 Like you're making enough for the scene. 61:53 Yeah, you want credit, you want the frenzy, 61:55 you want the drama, you want like the sort of, 61:57 you want a little attention. 61:59 Well, that's where we got the letter. 62:01 Yes. 62:01 They always are leading up to it. 62:02 Yes. 62:03 So after this attack, there was this manhunt. 62:07 And then this was something when I listened back, 62:10 and it's also crazy because this episode that you guys did 62:13 when you first covered this was in 2018. 62:15 And this was, we're talking about 1918. 62:18 Oh yeah, that's crazy. 62:19 So when I kept doing my notes, I was like, 62:21 I'd write 18, and then I was like, 62:23 18, 1918, 2018, I'm like, which year? 62:25 Which year? 62:25 What are my friends saying? 62:26 So you had mentioned this 62:29 in the, when you guys first covered this in 2018, 62:33 but apparently the next day, 62:35 there was a sighting of this killer masquerading as a woman, 62:40 walking around town, but like, what? 62:44 Like, you know, so you know who the killer is? 62:46 And you also know when the killer's in drag? 62:48 Like, wait a minute. 62:49 Then who is it? 62:50 So maybe we can arrest them then. 62:52 Can we maybe stop them? 62:53 I don't know. 62:53 I mean, like you're just like titillated by this. 62:55 So much for it like, it's the killer, 62:57 but it's also a lady. 62:58 But it's kind of fun. 63:00 Yeah, right. 63:00 I think people were just losing their shit, losing. 63:03 We also then, the same day, there's 63:07 a person who finds the ax and a chisel outside of their door. 63:12 You imagine. 63:13 No. 63:14 Knowing that you were that close to having your head 63:16 bashed in by a madman. 63:17 Yeah. 63:18 I'd leave the state. 63:19 Yeah, I would never sleep again. 63:20 And this was the incident where they were like, 63:22 oh, it's actually too thick for the chisel. 63:25 So like they started and then they're like, I give up. 63:27 I'd be so happy that I picked that door. 63:30 Oh, I would buy fabulous. 63:31 Give me 14 more. 63:32 Yeah, this was a great day for doors. 63:36 That door. 63:37 A great day for the door business. 63:39 That store was like, come here. 63:41 Yeah, we got them. 63:41 We've got the door for you. 63:43 So on this day of this attack on Joseph Romano, 63:48 who did die, we have sort of like the essence 63:51 of a lot of these signatures that we've been tracking. 63:54 We have Jupiter and Pluto in very, very close conjunction. 63:58 We have the sun in Leo, 16 degrees conjunct Saturn, 64:03 that original grim reaper, and also Neptune all in Leo. 64:07 So to me, this makes sense that we also find the sort of like 64:11 frenzy around this of, I'm gonna, like I'm going on a spree. 64:16 Look at me. 64:16 I'm going on a spree. 64:18 Look at me. 64:18 Catch me if you can. 64:20 You can't catch me. 64:21 Yep. 64:21 And continuously through this month of August, 64:25 we see more and more of these examples of like, 64:29 he tried to come in, there was something that blocked. 64:32 The door was chiseled, no one was home. 64:34 There was an act on the desk. 64:35 There was a, in one case there was a tomatoes 64:39 that were blocking the door so he couldn't come in. 64:42 Which is also really interesting 64:43 because if this is all the same person, 64:46 back in the day, back in the old days, 64:48 he did come in in other ways. 64:50 He wouldn't come in and do it on my door. 64:52 He would come in through a window. 64:54 So why is now he's like, 64:55 if I can't make a little hole, I'm not coming. 64:58 And I think it's because he's so connected 65:00 to this signature now. 65:02 Yeah, I think you're right. 65:02 Like I think before he was fine with Willie Nilly 65:05 and then he's like, this is my thing. 65:07 This is who I am. 65:08 If I can't come in that door, then it's not me 65:10 and maybe they won't know it's me. 65:13 And they need to know it's me. 65:16 So he has to get in that same way. 65:17 And maybe I won't get the credit. 65:18 I will get the credit for this one 65:19 if I enter a different way. 65:22 I mean, this is the story of somebody who really 65:25 wants to be known as the type of serial killer that he is. 65:31 And we're going to get to the letter shortly. 65:35 We're coming up on it, which is obviously 65:37 one of the most iconic parts of this story. 65:41 There's so many reasons. 65:44 But also, it's like, if this is the same person who 65:47 who took, you know, this extortion a little too far 65:51 and then was like killing when he could have just threatened 65:54 and then was shooting and then realized like, 65:57 I can make it even scarier if I use an axe 65:59 and I can make it even scarier if I chisel my way in. 66:02 Then this is also someone who is like, 66:05 I only am going to approach it 66:07 through this sort of codified haunted spooky way. 66:12 And I think that this killer knew and aspired to be Jack the Ripper. 66:18 And I think that he knew that story and wanted to become the next Jack the Ripper. 66:25 I could totally see that. 66:26 It totally makes sense. 66:27 The letters have such a similar energy about them. 66:30 Like I come from hell. 66:31 Yeah, exactly. 66:32 And I'm a demon and catch me if you can. 66:34 And they're kind of cheeky at times. 66:36 They're very cheeky. 66:37 So I feel like, and he knew Jack the Ripper 66:42 found a signature and stuck with it. 66:45 Yeah, stuck with it. 66:46 Consistency. 66:47 You need that if you're gonna really leave your mark. 66:49 Until that grand finale with Mary Kelly. 66:52 Like that was really the only time he deviated. 66:55 And I think he just thought he found his calling. 66:57 So he could not deviate because this is the calling. 67:00 And if this is a person who already is like 67:03 mentally ill to begin with 67:04 and beginning this process of like, 67:06 like, oh, I'm going to just kill instead of threaten. 67:10 It's a ritual. 67:11 Yes. 67:11 Then like they it also shows how they sort of completely 67:14 divorce this original idea of like, oh, yeah. 67:17 And by the end of this, like, we aren't targeting Italian 67:20 grocers anymore. 67:21 No, we're just getting whoever. 67:22 We're getting really, really. 67:23 Completely lost the plot. 67:24 Yeah. 67:25 It starts as one thing and then completely sort of like 67:28 morphs into another. 67:29 Yeah, still balls. 67:31 So then things are quiet for a little bit, 67:33 which is also so odd is that we have these like seasons 67:37 of this attacks. 67:39 I almost wonder if he was either discouraged 67:42 or nervous with the amount of times that he couldn't. 67:46 I almost thought as a sign, like with the amount of times 67:48 he wasn't able to get through, you know? 67:51 Yeah, I mean, if we're being honest, 67:52 not to say that we wanna have a perfect score of tallies, 67:55 but he does not have a great kill score. 67:58 No, it's half essentially, there's 12 attacks 68:01 and six kills. 68:02 And if he's in New Orleans, if he's from New Orleans, 68:05 if he grew up there, he might take that stuff 68:08 more like spiritually as a sign. 68:11 Absolutely, absolutely. 68:12 That like I need to take a step back. 68:13 I think that's such a good point. 68:14 It feels like that's so in the culture 68:16 and so in where he grew up, if he grew up there, 68:20 that that would be something 68:21 that he might take into account. 68:22 And I think that links itself so much 68:24 to the fact that he thinks he's a specter. 68:26 Yeah, but he's not like of this mortal realm 68:29 kind of thing. 68:30 Yeah, yeah, I mean he could also be going into these like fugues dates. Yeah, where he's like in this sort of like hypnotic 68:37 Space, yeah of this which is very Neptune very Neptune. Yeah, very very Neptune and it also it's like this 68:44 I mean, I feel like there are some murderers through time where they'll take time off 68:49 Oh sure like a BTK just gonna say exactly like 30 years off 68:53 Yeah, and it's sort of and then like you go back to your normal life and you return to whatever it is 69:00 that you're doing. 69:01 He could have got a job. 69:02 You just bury that desire. 69:05 I mean, he could have got a job. 69:06 He could have got a family. 69:07 He could have got sick. 69:08 Someone he could have got sick. 69:10 Yeah, something kept him from focusing on it. 69:13 It wasn't a super long time. 69:14 No, long, long enough where it's weird. 69:17 But well, back in March now, 69:20 1919, because we keep playing with these times, 69:23 which is so bizarre astrologically. 69:26 Yes, really strange March 9th, 1919. 69:28 We have a case of Charles and Rosie and this one is really, really sad. 69:38 What's interesting before I say why it is incredibly sad is that this case actually 69:44 evokes the very, very first one that happened, astrologically. 69:49 With Harriet and August back in 1910, we had that Uranus-Neptune opposition. 69:56 In this case, we have a Saturn Uranus opposition. 70:00 So it kind of like, it's like we're back in, 70:03 you know, there are these patterns that keep emerging, 70:05 that it seems like he keeps striking at the epicenter 70:10 of these different astrological signatures. 70:12 Okay, this is a departure for a second, 70:14 but I have to share it before I forget. 70:16 So in the 1980s, there was this study that came out 70:20 and it was called something sensational, 70:22 like the moon was full and nobody noticed. 70:24 And the point of it was, it was this British scientist 70:27 who basically said people are not affected by the moon 70:32 and I'm gonna prove it. 70:34 And when I first started studying astrology, 70:37 this was basically the only study around that 70:40 that was circulating. 70:42 And it was like, you know, I didn't like, 70:43 who likes this study like this? 70:44 I'm like, nobody knows that there's a, 70:46 like this is crazy. 70:47 I had a weird feeling about it. 70:49 It felt like it was a little pointed. 70:52 It had like some statement it was trying to make. 70:54 So I knew about it and then recently 70:57 when I was doing an episode for astrology 71:00 on the moon and the moon phases, 71:02 I was like, oh, I wonder what's going on. 71:03 Like if there's any other studies, 71:06 turns out that from the time that I started 71:08 to practice astrology to now, 71:10 that study has now been challenged many, many times over. 71:15 As it should be. 71:16 And they were like, this person had an agenda. 71:18 They were misogynistic in the studies that they were doing. 71:21 It feels misogynistic from the job. 71:23 Like you know, in the same way that you know intuitively that the moon affects 71:27 people. The moon is mother. And the hospitals, they always, you know, 71:32 doctors and nurses and attendees will always say it's crazy on a full moon. 71:37 Yeah. And like, sure, it's anecdotal, but it's also like our anecdotal 71:41 experience is also our lived experience. It's just a scientific. 71:44 We're in the water, like mostly. And then the moon controls the tide. 71:49 Right. I mean, you don't have to like, 71:51 You don't have to continue to extrapolate 71:53 on the rest of astrology just to verify the fact 71:55 that the moon obviously is going to affect us as human. 71:59 We're animals. 72:00 We have a different response. 72:02 All of animals respond to the moon differently. 72:05 Hunting is different on a full moon than a new moon. 72:07 The reason I bring it up is to say 72:09 that in these new round of studies that have come out, 72:12 they have found that the moon, in particular, 72:15 with people with different types of chemical sort of, 72:22 people with different types of like chemistry in their brain, 72:25 people who are bipolar, 72:27 people who have schizophrenia, 72:29 people who have these different conditions 72:32 are more affected by the moon than others, right? 72:36 And to me, this is so interesting 72:38 because it also is very much like, 72:40 oh, what can we learn by studying the way 72:43 that different people's chemistry functions than just sort of being like we can't look 72:48 at them, we have to other them and like not pay any attention to people who are different 72:53 than us. 72:53 Right? 72:54 But actually if we change our perspective and learn from people who have different 72:59 chemistry than we do, we are probably going to find like incredible things about nature, 73:05 the interconnectivity of like cycles, timing, how brains work in general. 73:09 So, I say all of that to say that this is, you know, perhaps our suspect here was also 73:15 very much affected by seasons, by tidal changes, by astrological shifts that were happening. 73:23 Because as these things were sort of like ebbing and flowing and swelling and changing, 73:29 he was also going through these different pieces and valleys of his own energy, his 73:35 energetics, right? 73:36 That's really fascinating. 73:37 That is. 73:47 Ready to upgrade your PC? 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I think 77:26 that this was a casualty of this frenzied moment. Like just collateral damage. Collateral damage. 77:32 he was fighting with Charles. 77:35 We've never heard of a physical altercation 77:37 between him and someone else before. 77:39 That was unexpected. 77:40 Unexpected. 77:41 I think that's the urinous of all of it. 77:42 I think it just, there was something 77:43 that came out of nowhere 77:45 and it was right after this that he sensed the letter. 77:49 And I think that there is a direct correlation 77:51 between this being and this like, oh, shit. 77:55 I'm really evil now. 77:56 I've really done it. 77:58 I killed the baby. 77:59 I am fully the devil. 78:00 Yeah. 78:01 Yeah, I killed the baby. 78:01 He takes, he takes on the persona takes it in that letter. 78:05 Like he's like, I am from hell. 78:07 He's very much does. 78:09 So March 13th when the sun is at 22 degrees of Pisces 78:13 and Saturn is at 22 degrees of Leo. 78:16 We have this letter and it is incredibly iconic. 78:24 I don't have it in front of me. 78:25 I do. Oh my God. 78:27 Please read it. 78:27 Okay. 78:28 esteemed mortal they have never caught me and they never will they have never 78:32 seen me for I am invisible even as the ether that surrounds your earth I am not 78:37 human being but a spirit and a demon from the hottest hell I am what you 78:41 Orleanians is that how you say that Orleanians I think so I think and your 78:44 foolish police call the axe man when I see fit I shall come and claim other 78:48 victims I alone know whom they shall be I shall leave no clue except my 78:53 bloody axe besmeared with blood and brains of he who I'm whom I have 78:57 sent below to keep me company. If you wish, you may tell the police to be careful not to 79:02 rile me. Of course, I am a reasonable spirit. Of course. Are you? As you've shown. Yeah. 79:09 I take no offense at the way they have conducted their investigations in the past. In fact, they 79:13 have been so utterly stupid as to not only amuse me, but his satanic majesty, 79:18 Francis, Joseph, etc. But tell them to beware. Let them not try to discover what I am, 79:24 for it be better that they were never born 79:26 than to incur the wrath of the Axeman. 79:29 I don't think there is any need of such warning 79:31 for I feel sure the police will always dodge me 79:34 as they have in the past. 79:36 They're wise and know how to keep away from all harm. 79:39 Undoubtedly, you Orleanians think of me 79:41 as a most horrible murderer, which I am, 79:44 but I could be much worse. 79:45 He's like nailed it. 79:45 Yeah, I am, don't get it twisted. 79:48 Yeah, not trying to claim anything else. 79:49 But I could be much worse if I wanted to be. 79:51 Yeah. 79:52 If I wished I could pay a visit to your city every night, 79:56 at will I could slay thousands of your best citizens, 79:58 for I am in close relationship with the angel of death. 80:01 Now to be exact. 80:02 Name dropping. 80:03 Yeah, he's like a personal friend. 80:05 Just saying, period. 80:07 Now to be exact, at 12.15, earthly time. 80:11 Oh my goodness. 80:11 On next Tuesday night, 80:12 I am going to Passover, New Orleans. 80:15 In my infinite mercy, 80:16 I am going to make a little proposition to you people. 80:19 Here it is. 80:19 I am very fond of jazz music. 80:22 That's all demons are. 80:23 And I swear by all the devils in the nether regions 80:25 that every person shall be spared 80:28 and whose home a jazz band is in full swing 80:31 at the time I have just mentioned. 80:33 If everyone has a jazz band going, 80:35 well then, so much better for you people. 80:37 One thing is certain, 80:39 and that is some of your people who do not jazz it 80:41 on Tuesday night. 80:43 If there be any, we'll get the axe. 80:46 Well, as I am cold and crave the warmth 80:48 of my native Tartarus and it is about time 80:51 I leave your earthly home. 80:53 I will cease my discourse. 80:55 Hoping that thou wilt publish this, 80:57 that it may go well with thee. 80:59 I have been, am and will be, 81:01 the worst spirit that existed, 81:03 either in fact or realm of fancy. 81:06 T. 81:06 It's the, it's the jazz for me. 81:09 It's the jazz. 81:11 What? 81:12 Like what? 81:13 I'd also be, I wouldn't know what to do. 81:16 I would jazz it. 81:17 But it's like, is he setting you up? 81:20 Possibly, I know. 81:21 Is he setting you up like if you like play jazz 81:23 and I won't come to your house 81:24 and then he's gonna go around to all the places 81:26 playing jazz and be like a double bluff? 81:28 Yeah. 81:29 That is actually fucking terrifying. 81:30 Because jazz is like loud and like. 81:34 Jazz and jazzy. 81:35 And it's like, that's scary. 81:37 You're already scared. 81:38 Now you're over stimulated. 81:40 Drowning out sound. 81:41 Making it easier for him to savage you. 81:43 To approach and come in your house, 81:44 which might be exactly what he was waiting for. 81:47 but I wouldn't know what to do. 81:49 Personally, I feel I would jazz it. 81:50 I would take my odds into my hands. 81:53 I would play some light jazz. 81:54 No, but it has to be in full swing. 81:57 It'll be in full swing. 81:58 Full swing. 81:58 It'll just be in a quiet little full swing. 82:00 He said jazzy, jazzy, jazzy out. 82:02 I would hear him coming though, 82:04 because I'd have it light. 82:06 And then when he comes in, jazz it up, 82:08 and I'd be like, full swing, get him, 82:09 you promised, by all the devils. 82:11 To me, in obviously a much higher stakes way, 82:15 it's giving the hocus pocus scene 82:18 where all of the parents can't stop dancing. 82:20 Yes. 82:20 It absolutely has. 82:21 It has that sort of like, 82:23 we're having fun, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 82:25 Everything's fine. 82:26 Yeah. 82:27 Yeah. 82:27 Or like in Widow's Bay, 82:29 sunset cocktails with Patricia. 82:30 Yes. 82:31 Yeah. 82:31 I haven't seen Widow's Bay yet. 82:32 Oh my God. 82:33 I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. 82:35 You will love it. 82:36 I know. 82:37 I feel like a Widow's Bay missionary. 82:38 I'm just like running around telling everyone. 82:40 Spreading the good word. 82:41 Yes. 82:41 I will continue spreading the good word. 82:43 I watched the entire series in one day. 82:45 We're re-watching it now. I'm about to yeah. Well, I'll hop on you gotta hop on it's so good 82:51 No, I've I it has everything it's brilliant need. Yeah, and the vibe of it. Oh, that's like a comforting so funny spooky 83:00 But really funny vibe to go. Oh my god. I'm excited. It's everything you want. What a wonderful thing to look forward. Yes 83:06 unlike 83:07 Unlike this unlike that March 19th. Yeah 83:11 Sort of worked out. Yeah many jazzed it 83:15 many jazz jazz. No one died. No one killed. But like this. Okay. 83:19 So this letter to me is everything. Yes. It is. It is my everything. 83:25 There's so much to unpack. Yeah. There's okay. So first of all, this is like a proto chat GPT. 83:31 Like why are we so erudite in this? Like why are we so academic in this letter? 83:36 And we float from like from like a more modern speaking to like the thou. 83:40 And he was like, wait a minute, and it's like, he's referencing like Greek mythology in it and he's pulling all of these like, you know, very high brow sophisticated, I'm smarter than I'm smarter than going back into Tartarus, which is also like, okay, so then who is, is this 84:00 really also doing the killings? 84:04 because this is somebody who is definitely 84:07 very well-educated or at least 84:09 they don't have something to make this up. 84:10 Pull it together, like whip it together 84:12 for a very well-educated letter. 84:15 And so maybe this is, 84:17 I think there were some killings 84:18 that were close to Tulane. 84:20 Like this could maybe- 84:21 There were, yeah. 84:22 Maybe a student. 84:23 Yeah, there has like a, 84:24 maybe there's a university piece to it. 84:25 Maybe it was a student, a professor. 84:27 An alumni. 84:28 Now I'm just trying to, 84:29 I'm trying to do the detective work here. 84:31 I guess we have to solve this. 84:32 But it is like specifically snobby, you know, 84:37 and like very sort of like- 84:39 Very elitist sounding. 84:40 High-slutton in its language, 84:42 which is also, you know, 84:45 it's like that kind of changes the character of it. 84:48 Not to mention, I mean, 84:49 how do we even begin the jazz piece, right? 84:52 The jazz piece is so bananas. 84:55 It comes out of absolutely nowhere. 84:57 No, there's not a single indication
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