Lars Ulrich on Metallica's New Groove; Frank Ocean

The world’s biggest metal band is now basically a DIY operation. The ever-voluble Lars Ulrich talks about what that’s like – and how it helped them record their upcoming double album, “Hardwired… To Self Destruct,” which emerged from an iPod of 1600 loose jams. Plus: a deep dive into Frank Ocean’s long-awaited album “Blonde." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices