Ash Barty for PM | Jenna Owen | Mark Pesce

Something good happened! Besides Ash Barty's amazing win, however, we discuss Sydney's ever-increasing case numbers with futurist Mark Pesce, and figure out whether Jenna Owen has it worse in hotel quarantine than everyone who's locked down in Sydney. Also – Mark referred to an academic paper – it's at https://crawford.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/18963/vaccinations-borders-and-delta-variant

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