Matt Hougan & Ryan Rasmussen: The Next Bull Run Is Already Here (There Are No Sellers Left)
Matt Hougan and Ryan Rasmussen say the money that was going to leave digital assets already left, and once the Anthropic IPO passes, the floodgates could open for capital rotating into the next big thing: tokenization and stablecoins. Live from The Bridge by The Tie in New York City, Bitwise's CIO and Head of Research explain why short-term shocks from the Fed, the election and the AI trade are hiding what Hougan calls a long-term, extraordinarily great setup, driven by 300,000 financial advisors finally making a 2% allocation and regulation like the GENIUS Act still working its way through. They break down why there are no more sellers left, why digital assets look remarkably undervalued next to other categories, and why stablecoins, tokenization and perps are taking off at exactly the right time, with the regulation, the institutional adoption and the access all in place. They also explain why bad builders can no longer ride the beta, and why fundamental buyers stepping in should mean fewer 90% drawdowns for real projects with real revenue. Matt Hougan is Chief Investment Officer at Bitwise. Ryan Rasmussen is Head of Research at Bitwise. The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:16 Why Pessimism Feels So Natural Right Now 04:09 When AI Capital Rotates Into Digital Assets 07:03 All The Sellers Already Left The Market 11:07 BlackRock And SEC Changed Everything For Bitcoin 13:11 Perps Stablecoins And Tokenization Are The Big Three 16:00 Think In Network Ownership Not Just Price 19:32 Zcash Could Reach One-Tenth Of Bitcoin 22:13 Easier To Invest Harder To Build Today 24:13 Fundamentals Create Buyers When Prices Dip 26:02 Everyone Said Perps Were Done After BitMEX 28:02 Consensus Winners Still Have Room To Run Guest Socials: Matt Hougan X: https://x.com/Matt_Hougan Ryan Rasmussen X: https://x.com/RasterlyRock Bitwise X: https://x.com/Bitwise Partners: Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data. --- Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain. Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/ --- ๐ช๐ฒ ๐๐ฟ๐ ๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฑ๐๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐ต๐ถ๐ด๐ต-๐พ๐๐ฎ๐น๐ถ๐๐, ๐ป๐ผ๐ป-๐ฏ๐ถ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ, ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ด๐ถ๐๐ฎ๐น ๐ฎ๐๐๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ผ๐๐๐๐๐ฒ๐บ. ๐ฆ๐๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ ๐๐ ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐น๐ถ๐ป๐ธ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐น๐ผ๐ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ณ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฒ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd9vbF3hJA2n7qoL5 Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures . . . ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ฅ: ๐๐ฏ๐ท๐ฆ๐ด๐ต๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ค๐ณ๐บ๐ฑ๐ต๐ฐ๐ค๐ถ๐ณ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ค๐บ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐๐ฆ๐๐ช ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ข๐ต๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ด ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ช๐ต๐ฉ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต ๐ณ๐ช๐ด๐ฌ๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ๐ค๐ญ๐ถ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ต๐ฆ๐ค๐ฉ๐ฏ๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ ๐ณ๐ช๐ด๐ฌ, ๐ฉ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ณ, ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ข๐ต๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฎ ๐ง๐ข๐ช๐ญ๐ถ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ. ๐๐ต ๐ค๐ฆ๐ณ๐ต๐ข๐ช๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฐ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ถ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ค๐ฉ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ญ, ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐ข๐บ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ณ๐ฏ ๐ข ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ช๐ด๐ด๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ณ ๐ง๐ฆ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ด ๐ข ๐ด๐ฑ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด๐ฐ๐ณ๐ด๐ฉ๐ช๐ฑ, ๐ช๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ช๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ค๐ข๐ด๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ช๐ญ๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ๐ธ๐ข๐บ๐ด ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ถ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ช๐ต ๐ช๐ด ๐ค๐ญ๐ฆ๐ข๐ณ. ๐๐ฆ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ต๐ณ๐ช๐ค๐ต๐ญ๐บ ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ท๐ช๐ค๐ฆ. ๐๐ฆ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ฑ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ง๐ฆ๐ด๐ด๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ข๐ญ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ณ ๐ญ๐ช๐ค๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ข๐ฅ๐ท๐ช๐ด๐ฐ๐ณ๐ด.